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  •  citizenship as a political weapon (8+ / 0-)

    is an old-world habit that we in the New World have, thankfully, largely cast aside.

    •  There is a lot of room for games here. (5+ / 0-)

      A woman who is a citizen who for one reason or another can't prove her citizenship at the time of birth could easily find herself and her child in Kafkaesque labyrinth - all because she's of Hispanic descent and considered "suspect".  It is disgusting to think about how many terrible stories and sagas that this sort of bullshit would create.

      •  Ya think? (4+ / 0-)

        That'd teach women about birthing while brown.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:13:16 PM PST

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        •  I actually lived in a place where (5+ / 0-)

          they not only refused to grant citizenship to non-citizen's babies, they were also going back 30 years to revoke citizenship from people who had been granted citizenship at the time of their birth - before the loonies took over - and also challenging the citizenship of people who had been born out of the country because that was where the hospital was where people went if they were having trouble with their pregnancies.  In many cases, these people were victimizing their own cousins in this crusade.  That's one reason why I have a sense of how terribly wrong things could go if we ever were to deny citizenship to anyone born in this country.

          •  the sad part is (4+ / 0-)

            I can't guess which country your'e talking about, because there are so many of them that do that shit...much of the middle east, several european states, and on and on and on.

          •  That sounds like a diary (1+ / 0-)
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            Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

            by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:39:03 PM PST

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            •  I could talk about work permits, too. (2+ / 0-)
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              A system that creates a permanent underclass of people who work and live in that society with basically very little hope of ever gaining citizenship and also an ever present threat of being booted out for pissing someone off - and hoping that they won't be victimized by a citizen and have to fight back because that was pretty much a way to get deported - the head of immigration was said to have raped a number of non-citizen women who submitted because he had the power to send them away.  As well as the fact that marrying a citizen is also not a path to citizenship and divorcing means that the partner who isn't a citizen better be prepared to leave - often without their children.

              I know that people really want to see immigration addressed in this term, but after the last round of extremely BAD ideas I saw from a less evil Republican House in 2005, I am loathe to think what this crowd could do to make people's lives much, much worse than they are even now.  That's just my 2 on this front.

      •  Proving citizenship (0+ / 0-)

        Seems to me that everybody in the United States who gives birth would be required to prove citizenship forthwith.

        Prudent people would be wise to obtain passports well before the expected date of birth, and apply for the baby's passport at the same time they apply for the birth certificate.

        For a while, it might be sufficient for the birth mother and/or father to show a birth certificate showing her or his birth in the United States, but eventually it will be passports that are required.

        Right now, American citizens who have a baby outside the U.S. submit all the documentation to the nearest embassy and await the arrival of news from the Department of State, with the baby's passport.

        Imagine how much federal money will have to be allocated to the agency that reviews the documentation for every baby born within the U.S., and the issuance of infant passports. Not to mention the costs to the parents to obtain notarization of their documentation in order to apply for recognition and passport.

      •  Not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." (0+ / 0-)

        The 14th Amendment states:

        All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
        George Will wrote a column, a few months to a couple of years ago, stating that we don't need a constitutional amendment to deny the citizenship of anchor babies; we can enact a statute saying that illegal immigrants are not "subject to the jurisdiction."

        Imagine that such a law had been passed while Bill Clinton was president. Then imagine that one of the hijacked planes on 9/11 had overpowered the hijackers and safely returned the plane to the ground. The hijackers say they're illegal immigrants, therefore they're not subject to the jurisdiction if the United States.

        Wouldn't the authors of the bill look foolish for having given diplomatic immunity to illegal immigrants?

        The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

        by Judge Moonbox on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:08:19 PM PST

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