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  •  I will wallow into a dragon's nest here... (2+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, blue aardvark

    I have a cousin. Her parents are Taiwanese citizens. Her mom gave birth to her in the United States and promptly returned to Taiwan. She has a social security card and U.S. passport. She also holds Taiwanese citizenship. She lived and grew up in Taiwan but used her US Citizenship to go to international school in Taiwan.

    Not a big deal, right? Birthright citizenship is pretty generous.

    There would be a lot more problems for her if she were born a boy. Taiwan has compulsory military service for college aged men (soon to change, at least that's what their 'president' says). According to United States law, that is a really big no no... serving in a foreign military.

    United States doesn't have very many stipulations on dual citizenship.... so... what do you do?

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:13:24 PM PST

    •  Stay out of Taiwan until after the age (0+ / 0-)

      of military service....

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:19:51 PM PST

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    •  Dual citizenship (0+ / 0-)

      Last I heard, the United States allows dual citizenship if the other country also allows dual citizenship. Thus, when the Netherlands changed its laws to allow dual citizenship, a Dutch person I know applied for U.S. citizenship and was naturalized.

      To lose U.S. citizenship, you have to take voluntary action with the intention of giving up your U.S. citizenship.

      This suggests to me that if someone is conscripted into military service by a government that considers that person to be a citizen, then the individual has not acted voluntarily and has not demonstrated an intention of giving up U.S. citizenship.

      •  You can serve in a foreign military (0+ / 0-)

        Many U.S. citizens volunteered with the British and Canadian armed forces and were fighting before the U.S. entered WWII (not to mention the famous "flying tigers" in China, most of whom were recruited directly from the U.S. military and re-entered U.S. service when the U.S. entered the war).  You can serve in a foreign military, you cannot fight against the U.S.  A friend was in the Israeli army during the Yom Kippur war, for a more recent example, he is a U.S. citizen by birth, and is now a U.S. Army retiree.

        Some countries consider an individual born there to be a citizen, even if that individual becomes naturalized by another country.  My British born wife is a naturalized U.S. citizen, carries a U.S. passport, and is a citizen of Great Britain--the opinion of the U.S. government does not matter to the British.  Although it is possible to renounce British citizenship, they do make it quite difficult and I doubt that many go to all the trouble.

        •  Another country's opinion (0+ / 0-)

          I think you're right--as far as I know, the Brits have no problem with their citizens taking out another citizenship.

          However, the Dutch citizen I know remained a green card resident in the U.S. when the consequence of becoming a naturalized American meant the automatic loss of Dutch citizenship. The Dutch changed that law and she promptly became a naturalized American.

          The Canadian government had no problem with dual citizenship, but a lot of Canadians residing in the U.S. declined to apply for American citizenship as long as the U.S. oath required renouncing all allegiances to other countries. Now, apparently, that was just a formality and the U.S. didn't actually follow up on this and make everybody formally surrender other citizenships, but the oath was a barrier to a lot of people.

          U.S.-Canadian dual citizenship didn't work that way for people going in the opposite direction: U.S. citizens didn't have to renounce their allegiance to the U.S. when becoming naturalized Canadians. So it was easy for Americans to become dual citizens at a time when it was hard for Canadians to do so because of that oath renouncing other allegiances. Very unfair.

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