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  •  Something cannot be both logical and asburd (2+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, Dr Swig Mcjigger

    If you had written "Logically, this leads some to the absurd conclusion," that would be different.

    As written, it just states that this is a logical conclusion and it's not.

    I'm sorry for my semantics, but when talking about something as sensitive and critical as this, I think it's important that we speak with clarity.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:39:03 PM PST

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    •  I thought the point was clear (3+ / 0-)
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      oakborn, Lysis, madhaus

      The point is that rape culture says that scantily dressed women leads to rape, which must (logically) mean that men are unable to control themselves, and are forced to rape someone if they see her thighs or cleavage.

      I'm sorry you misunderstood, but the diarist was not saying men are uncrontrollable assaulters.  The diarist is saying that this is the conclusion of rape culture.  

      •  No need to be sorry for me (2+ / 0-)
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        Dr Swig Mcjigger, Lonely Texan

        I didn't misunderstand, I just prefer that when we're talking about some subjects, we speak/write with clarity.

        This wording:

        this leads to questions about whether men are adults or even human beings.
        is hyperbolic and, IMO, detracts from the point, which, as I said in my comments, is
        That's one of the things I hate about the attitude that women are "asking for it," because it reduces men to savage beasts who can only think with their dick.
        But whether men are even human beings? I don't believe that's a helpful way to foster a civil conversation. I simply believe that some parts of this could use better wording so that I could rec it. As it stands, I can't. I don't appreciate hyperbole in conversations of this nature.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:18:37 PM PST

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        •  I knew exactly what the diarist meant (1+ / 0-)
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          Lonely Texan

          The two of you are saying the exact same thing

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:17:29 PM PST

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          •  I did rec the diary because I think the people who (4+ / 0-)

            are victims of and vulnerable to rape need to speak, and need to have their voices heard.  At the same time I don't agree with saying that "men aren't human" even as hyperbole (because look where dehumanizing women as got us, and here we come full circle) And because framing the debate for maximum support is important, I also recognize that this issue has been so minimized that so many many many of us, mostly women but inmates also, are so fed up with our ongoing horror going unaddressed, that we just speak out of legitimate rage and it doesn't always come out in a way that is well-framed or thought out.

            And so, honestly, can we just hear the despair and offer to help anyway, even if we are male?  There are so many ways women are shamed into taking the responsibility on this issue, had you had sex before, what were you wearing, ad nauseum.  that we even have to vent our rage and fear properly for some to take it seriously.  There has got to be a point where women do not have to be 100% perfect to deserve safety and integrity in their being.

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