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  •  I really think (6+ / 0-)

    it's a lot more obvious when consent is there, and when not, than most of these arguments accept.  Wherever the legal line is drawn, as a matter of pure human decency it has to be understood that you don't fuck someone if you're not 100%, swear-on-your-mother's life sure that she (or he) wants to be fucked.  Verbal consent or encouragement, physical enthusiasm, and yes, something vaguely resembling a normal state of mind.  The damage done is real when these things are not in place, whether there's any legal remedy or not.  Don't be that guy.  Don't let your friends be that guy either.

    •  Yes, the available research teaches us that the (2+ / 0-)
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      LSophia, Lonely Texan

      majority of rapes are committed by people who know exactly what they're doing. They may not consider their act rape, but they know they are taking advantage of someone's diminished physical and mental capabilities to take sex that they would not be able to take if the woman was sober. IMHO, the challenge is that rape culture supports these predators. We've changed culture so that it if it is not common to intervene when someone's too drunk to drive, it's at least not uncommon. We need to change culture so that people intervene when they see someone off with a person who's too drunk to positively consent.

      •  If the standard is: would they have consented if (0+ / 0-)

        sober (as you seem to be suggesting), I think you are asking for something that is simply out of touch with reality.

        Just because someone regrets a decision they made to have sex when they were intoxicated cannot mean they did not consent, or that it was an act of rape.  If this was the case, you could have a ridiculous situation were two people get loaded, have sex (and neither would have if sober), and both of them would be guilty of rape.

        We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

        by RageKage on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 12:44:19 PM PST

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