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  •  Former EPA director said..... (2+ / 0-)
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    Jackson Confirms EPA Chart Showing No Effect on Climate Without China, India

    July 7, 2009

    Contact: Matt Dempsey matt_dempsey@epw.senate.gov  (202)224-9797

    Jackson Confirms EPA Chart Showing No Effect on Climate Without China, India

    http://epw.senate.gov/...

    "I believe the central parts of the [EPA] chart are that U.S. action alone will not impact world CO2 levels," Administrator Jackson said.  

    Furthermore, I wish more Kossacks would credit Dem policies for reducing the per/capita CO2 emissions in the US by 5% since 1990.  During that same time frame, countries in Asia have increased per/capita emissions by as much as 300%.

    The US is not the problem with respect to climate change.

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    by PatriciaVa on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:53:37 PM PST

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    •  Yes, it is a problem and people like you (6+ / 0-)

      are part of the problem.  I'll make sure and point out in every one of these diaries that you have no solution.

      Hide your head in the sand and blame others if you want to, the rest of us are trying to fix the problem.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:57:04 PM PST

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      •  I don't think you are . . . (9+ / 0-)

        Nor are we humans, in any category or political party or nationality you put us. I've read dozens of diaries like this one. They each get more dire, more factual, more certain in the desperate and deadly end of this climbing carbon saturation of our air and oceans.

        And all I hear people arguing about is minimalist things like carbon taxes and whom will pay how much, cap and trade, rationing, electric cars, walkable cities, roof gardens, eating locally, going carbon-neutral -- ENOUGH!

        not even all of that, taken to the limit, will be enough.

        We need a paradigm shift. We need to look at ourselves.

        The obscenity of our species is that our technology far outpaces our ethics. We simply claim the right to take whole ecosystems away from their natural owners for our comfort and to pad our bottom lines. We destroy the very lungs of our planet in order to make a few of us multi-multi-billionaires. We assault the only living environment we share  in every way we can think to do just to funnel the profits up to a very, very few, who are allowed the privilege of owning more money, personally, than a million humans could reasonably need in their entire lifetimes.

        On the day that the first Trillionaire is announced in Forbes or the WSJ, that day will write the epitaph of our species. Or our tombstone will simply say, "They didn't realize that you can't eat money."

        There is currently an estimated $21 to $30 Trillion of private wealth squirreled away around the world, doing nothing but generating more of itself through speculation, doing nothing but incest while the world burns.

        The solution to our coming century or two of disasters beyond comprehension is to reclaim this private money already filched from the masses, and divide it into two piles.

        One pile goes to all of the above conservation and stop-spewing-CO2 solutions. Anything that genuinely helps the spewing is okay. Including not permitting any human to become, personally, more than a millionaire. Personal wealth beyond that level is meaningless to a human, but deadly to humanity. So 90% tax rates will become normal.

        The other pile is to build either geothermal or thorium-salt energy plants all over the planet whose sole purpose is to suck existing CO2 out of the atmosphere, and out of the oceans, and fuse it into carbon blocks that can either be sunk in the ocean or used to build permanent cities for people.

        Why wait around hundreds of years for the effects of the CO2 already shat into our atmosphere to wear away? If we, as a species, don't catch on that we can and must go back and clean up the mess we've made, we don't deserve to be called intelligent.

        •  I agree but it is never going to happen. I used (1+ / 0-)
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          to believe that the more humans learned about climate change, we would be able to do something. But it is like Jared Diamond says in his book Collapse when analyzing the destruction that led to the end of humans on Easter Island.  Her says something like you have to wonder what the person who cut down the last tree was thinking.

          Sorry, just listened to an excerpt of that batshit looney Alex Jones ranting about the government not taking his guns and also learned today that there are wingnuts loonies who believe the Newtown shooting was staged by that über master pupeteer Obama.  I mean really who are we kidding that this shit will stop?  It seems to me we are witnessing more and more lunacy these days.

          Well, I hope to be more optimistic tomorrow morning.

          Speak softly and carry a big can of tuna.

          by Cat Whisperer on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:13:34 PM PST

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        •  To me, the fact that fracking is (3+ / 0-)

          legal is one of the most depressing signs that there will be no real solutions to the problems we face.  It will be a case of too little, too late.  

          Time is a long river.

          by phonegery on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 03:23:34 AM PST

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        •  I don't think you're in any position (0+ / 0-)

          to tell me what I am or am not doing.  Please dial back your assumptions.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:16:03 AM PST

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    •  Better gas mileage accounts for most (5+ / 0-)

      of the decrease in emissions in the U.S.  Most of that is because consumers see the economic value of better gas mileage given the high cost of fuel.  

      Of course, with fracking the U.S. is on its way to becoming the new Saudi Arabia, so fuel costs should fall in the coming year.  

      Taxing gasoline at higher rates is probably the best thing we could do to lower emissions here.  It is hard to imagine China and India doing the same, though.

      Switching to solar power and electric vehicles is the best long term hope.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:11:48 PM PST

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      •  most of decrease in US actually comes from (3+ / 0-)
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        the effects of the recession with reduced output.   And there is some reduction in driving with people using public transport and bikes.   We need to reform industrial agriculture that would help immensely.  

        Macca's Meatless Monday

        by VL Baker on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:38:45 PM PST

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        •  Beach (3+ / 0-)

          Although it does not impact you primary argument, actually miles driven per person have been decreasing since well before the recession began and has continued at the same rate since it ended.

          I have written here in Daily Kos and elsewhere about the technological and resulting social changes that are causing that. Although many may consider this a good thing and cannot hurt, it really does not help much in addressing the central concern of your post.

          Good post.

    •  And you're spreading right wing talking points (6+ / 0-)

      The US can't do it alone, but the world can't do it without us.  You would destroy us.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:19:16 PM PST

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    •  The US contribution to the climate problem (5+ / 0-)

      is not just what we use or conserve. It is our per capita production, reflecting our standard of living, that the Asian countries are now starting to equal - as they become more industrialized, use more energy, drive more motorized vehicles more miles.

      Whether they will change course is obviously an issue. How much we change our consumption, and the technology to do so, can influence other nations to adopt better energy policies and regulations.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:29:12 PM PST

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