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  •  story after story this winter has published (10+ / 0-)

    about the weakness of this recovery due to

    not the debt , nor taxes but.........

    but the uncertainty brought about by Republican stonewalling.

    There is no "both sides do it" argument. It is the Republicans trying to continue to stall the economy.

    •  Isn't it amazing though? (5+ / 0-)
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      I mean, when the GOP is in control they get what they want.

      Remember all those filibusters of Bush's judicial nominees?  Neither do I.

      Yet when the the Dems have the most control (even when they had the House too).. it seems like the GOP is still all-powerful.

      Well, I have full confidence that Obama will unleash his Wall Street Bankster Chief of Staff to attack the GOP and their 1% allies.  So never fear.

      The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

      by Johnathan Ivan on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:16:13 PM PST

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      •  There were filibusters of Bush's judicial nominees (0+ / 0-)

        Remember that talk of the "nuclear option" back around 2005 or thereabouts?  It was because Democrats had filibustered a handful of Bush's most controversial nominees.  The "gang of 14" compromise prevented the Republicans from going nuclear, in return for a compromise that gave Democrats pretty much nothing in return.

        Note that the "nuclear option" wasn't hugely different from what we're now calling "filibuster reform".

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 06:20:35 AM PST

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        •  Ah ha! (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, Yes I DO recall that little episode of Kabuki.

          And now Reid.. who could invoke the "nuclear" option any fking time he wanted..


          And since - as you correctly pointed out - the filibuster has been of no value to the Dems...

          Isn't it odd, nay even suspicious, that they insist on keeping around a rule which seems only to "thwart" them?

          Why, it's almost suspicious.

          The excuses for Obama's behavior have long since passed the point of predictability neccessary to qualify as an absurd production of Kabuki Theater.

          by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 01:56:07 PM PST

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    •  By all "apparent" appearances (0+ / 0-)

      it's only the R's.

      But they've also fooled everybody else -- Dems, Obama, and (most) progressives -- into playing along in their game by believing the government can't do for the people what the government did for the banks.

      Here's how Glenn put it over at NEP:

      The government issued a 16 trillion dollar credit as an electronic ledger entry to bail out the banks. There was no corresponding debt issued at that time, as this would have been apparent by inspection of the national debt at the time this credit was added to the ledger.

      There is no question that this is what happened. The question is whether the government thinks we, the people, are as important to it as the banks are.

      Money is a concept that is valid as long as we believe in it. Its physical instantiations are merely symbols representative of the concept, whether the symbols be paper, electronic ledgers, coins, or any other symbol the people of a society are mutually willing to suspend their disbelief about.

      So, the Gov't comes up with $16T for Banksters -- but for "We, the People", the Gov't is broke ??

      We need to start by correcting our own assumptions regarding the relation between government, "We, the people", "We, the corporations" -- in particular, "We, the banks".

      Correct those assumptions and we will have more wisdom and power to correct the Dems, Obama, and -their- Wall St. advisors.

      Repeat to ourselves -- then to each of the above:

      Whose side are you on?

      ambiguity is okay ... if you know what I mean

      by dorkenergy on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:54:48 PM PST

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