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  •  At first I liked it (5+ / 0-)
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    Ismay, A Citizen, TomP, second gen, litho

    For the reasons you eloquently express plus the absurd (IMHO) importance that football garners.

    After reading this diary I realize that the comparison to slavery is over the top.  It's not even a close question!

    Yes, it's just a comic.  No reason to get bent out of shape over it, but I agree with the diarist.  It's offensive.

    •  The diary's characterization of slavery (3+ / 0-)

      is a caricature, based on the extreme experience of some slaves. Slavery was always horrendous, but it was not always whippings and rape.

      One difference between semi-pro college football and slavery is that ball players freely enter into a contract, while most African slaves in the United States were born into their unfree status. When you look at graduation rates, however, you see the scholarships aren't really worth much.

      When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

      by litho on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:28:14 PM PST

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      •  yeah asshat, slavery wasn't always all bad... (1+ / 0-)
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        ImpactAv

        you are fucking owned... if your Master wants to torture you as an example to others you have no recourse....

        the law at that time didn't consider you a person, but property.  THAT is a big fucking difference.

        it is always an extreme experience... it is by no means the same.

        •  Slavery was always horrendous (4+ / 0-)
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          Sandino, alain2112, Iberian, high uintas

          but it was not always whippings and rape.

          Can I say that more clearly for you? Or do you simply insist on being outraged when called on your mindless hyperbole?

          When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

          by litho on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:16:28 PM PST

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      •  Voluntary vs. involuntary (4+ / 0-)

        Slavery is involuntary. Football is voluntary. The experience of slaves was involuntary servitude.

        The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

        by A Citizen on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:46:27 PM PST

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        •  Hence my point about contracts (0+ / 0-)

          which you appear to agree with.

          The two things are different. Can they be usefully compared?

          When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

          by litho on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:18:17 PM PST

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      •  Bullshit! (2+ / 0-)
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        CaliSista, Ismay

        OK, maybe that's too harsh.  I wasn't there and I have never been a slave.  If you have some proof that the diary is just a caricature of some extreme situations that were not common to most slaves then I will accept your point.

        I agree with you that freely entering into a contract is different from being born into "unfree status".  I would characterize it as a monumentally huge fucking difference!

        •  I don't know how much slave studies you've read (1+ / 0-)
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          nor can I summarize in a comment all the ones that I have. Close studies of plantation records have found that certain slaves bore the brunt of physical punishment, and the ones who were punished the most tended to be the most rebellious or the strongest. Slaves represented a major capital investment, an economic fact which put a brake on the most rapacious desires of their owners.

          Most slaves, furthermore, did not live on plantations. Many, in fact, lived in households with fewer than five slaves, which means they had deeper and stronger personal relationships with their owners than the stereotyped field slave who was managed by an overseer and may not have even known their owner personally. Having a more personal relationship was by no means an absolute protection against beatings and rape -- most rape today, we know, is so-called date rape -- but it does provide a different context than the one caricatured in the diary.

          The average lifespan of a slave in the United States was over fifty years. Three hundred and sixty-five days a year, seven days a week, twenty-four hours a day. Almost all slaves had families, and many were able to sustain prolonged relationships with their families. They cooked, they laughed, they loved, they danced, and they sang. Most of them were punished by their owners during their lifetimes, and many of them were raped. I think it's wrong to reduce their entire experience to the harshest punishments some of them received sometimes.

          When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

          by litho on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 10:39:08 PM PST

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      •  Stop Digging....n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        Ismay, gramofsam1, ImpactAv

        "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

        by CaliSista on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:08:42 PM PST

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    •  Offensive to who (2+ / 0-)
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      high uintas, litho

      I can't believe how self righteous this place is with the comics.

      He maybe should have done a comic with sharecroppers or with porters for the big train companies and include footnotes for his research?

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