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  •  since when? (2+ / 0-)
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    Don't forget The government can now kill American citizens without warrant or trial now.
    the drones have only been used in combat areas, where the gov't has always had the authority to kill people, without due process.  

    interestingly enough, this was a big part of the reason for instituting the estate tax:

    . Billionaire / Koch brothers' control of Congress + media.
    congress recognized that allowing families to accumulate vast fortunes, handed down intact, potentially created the ability to buy the gov't, thus giving the US it's own form of aristocracy. limiting those inherited fortunes, by taxing them, was one means of forestalling that. revenue wise, it only affects very few (1%) estates.
    •  Since now (1+ / 0-)
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      dewley notid

      See this

      And I do not see Kocks controlling the senate or WH or media for that matter.

    •  The drones (1+ / 0-)
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      are flying over US airspace as we speak. By 2015 they will be in full force.

      "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

      by rocksout on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:03:33 AM PST

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      •  I haven't heard of a single (1+ / 0-)
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        US citizen being targeted violently by any drone within US borders.  That SURVEILLANCE drones may be flying is pretty much a moot point because we have cameras pointed at us all the time, have a spy satellite system that would blow your mind in its tracking capabilities, police frequently fly helicopters and aircraft over us watching for violations of traffic issues.  If drones are being used over our airspace for surveillance in criminal matters I don't see this as an issue.  As long as they are unarmed I see them simply as a more efficient means of doing exactly what our law enforcement and intelligence communities have been doing for years.  My only problem would be if they started falling out of the sky on top of people because of equipment malfunction or operator errors.  The same thing though could happen with a police helicopter or aircraft.  

        This stuff borders on CT.

        "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

        by artmartin on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:35:55 AM PST

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        •  Apparently giving up personal freedom (0+ / 0-)

          is of no consequence to you. Do you work for the aero space industry? It's only CT if it's a theory. The drones ARE patrolling.

          "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

          by rocksout on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:33:36 AM PST

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          •  Oh give me a break (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm not commenting on the spying.  What I'm commenting on is this huge inference the lot of you have that these drones will somehow be used against us militarily like they are in foreign countries against combatants.  That is the CT.  That suggestion is there in every damned comment about the use of drones here.  The word "surveillance" is never used.  It's always "the drones are already being used over our cities" right after some passage that talks about their military use overseas.  If you want to talk about surveillance then let's talk about the use of police helicopters, drug informants, red light cameras, too.  They are all just tools just as a SURVEILLANCE drone is.  Until they go into our skies with Hellfire missiles I view them the same way I do when I hear a police chopper in the middle of the night looking through my neighborhood, a mix of good and a small potential for bad.  

            I am concerned about police abuse.  I live in Joe Arpaio's county for gosh sakes but drones?  That's the least of my concern.  One of Joe's racist goons driving around with a gun scares me a whole lot more.  Keep this shit in perspective please.

            "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

            by artmartin on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:17:34 PM PST

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        •  Back in the Clinton Administration (1+ / 0-)
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          you had to get permission from the Attorney General to image the USA with a spy satellite.   Why do I think that control no longer exists?

          As they say, if you throw a frog into hot water, he will jump out.   If you put him in lukewarm water and gradually raise the heat, you can boil him to death.

          •  yeah but you need no (0+ / 0-)

            such permission for the local police to fly over your home in a helicopter and the cost to do so and the potential damage and injury if one of those go down is exponentially higher than a drone failure.  The use of drones for police surveillance is no more concern than current surveillance tactics and gear.  Arming them and firing on civilians is.  Inferring that is the next step is CT just as the assumption that smoking pot is going to lead us all to heroin.

            "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

            by artmartin on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:21:29 PM PST

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            •  I disagree. Past tyrants were constrained by (0+ / 0-)

              the limited number of eyeballs they could deploy to spy on their subjects.  

              The massive surveillance /cameras/recording server networks the government is deploying look an awful lot like the Panopticon that Michael Foucault spoke of -- as a means to psychologically coerce people into becoming slaves by the threat of constant secret surveillance.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/...

              That is not a prison that holds criminals --that is making the whole world into a prison.

              The fact that the NRA does not even recognize that danger shows what a fraud Wayne LaPierre is.

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