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  •  He was underage for purchasing anything (2+ / 0-)
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    noway2, WakeUpNeo

    I recall that he attempted to purchase a handgun or ammo or something using his older brother's ID (Ryan Lanza) from several different dealers but ended up with his mother's legally purchased assault rifle and handguns.

    The dealers refused to sell to Adam Lanza for some reason. It could have been any of a number of reasons, perhaps his brother's ID had expired, he couldn't verify his address, whatever. We don't know.

    My point is that each dealer apparently did no more than refuse to sell to him. That's all they're required to do.

    Maybe it would be a good idea if dealers could pitch in and alert other nearby dealers and inform local police that a questionable gun purchaser is active in the area. Had the police been alerted to someone trying to by guns from more than one dealer in the area and using a fake ID, perhaps, things might have turned out differently. That's a weak maybe, but it's better than nothing.

    Yes, it would be a burden to require gun dealers to report gun purchases that are denied or refused. Computers help, but it's still extra paperwork and a cost that's not recovered by a sale.

    I think it would help prevent some folks from shopping around until they find a dealer who sells to them. If the police get tipped off when somebody shows up in more than one area gun shop and gets denied twice, then there's a chance that harm can be prevented.

    It is less of a factor whether it's legal for the person to buy or possess or anything else. It's the multiple attempts to purchase a gun that should raise a bright red flag. Unless dealers participate by reporting refusals, then this activity won't be noticed.

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:15:06 PM PST

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    •  that was all rumors (0+ / 0-)

      has any of it been confirmed?

      "The Taibbi article is a defense of status quo" -- citizen k

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:27:22 PM PST

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      •  Is this a good idea? (1+ / 0-)
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        WakeUpNeo

        Whether or not it happened.

        "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

        by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:38:30 PM PST

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        •  well (1+ / 0-)
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          if somebody fails an FBI background check, the ATF already has the info.  They rarely follow up though.

          Given that there aren't resources enough to track down people who we know probably are trying to buy guns illegally, I'm not sure what the benefit is of developing leads on people who we suspect might be trying to buy guns illegally.

          "The Taibbi article is a defense of status quo" -- citizen k

          by happymisanthropy on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:02:37 AM PST

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          •  Yes, funding is the Republican's ace in the hole (1+ / 0-)
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            The ATF hasn't had a director for years. There aren't enough agents. The gun lobby has crippled the ATF.

            That's why they rarely follow through. They don't have the arms and legs needed to do much of anything.

            My thoughts about detecting folks shopping around for gun dealers is more about detecting and reacting to a potential local problem. It's not about developing leads. It's about detecting those who seem to be suddenly and aggressively trying to buy a gun. A little chat with a police officer might be a good way to calm things down.

            Gun trafficking leads are a whole different matter.

            "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

            by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:34:28 AM PST

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