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  •  Alternatively, stake out a sane position. (1+ / 0-)
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    Propose what Australia did in 1996.

    Go over it in detail.

    Stick with it.

    Do we have the balls to separate guns from our 50,000 paranoid schizophrenics ???

    And face up to 15,000 suicides a year?

    "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

    by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:43:34 PM PST

    •  You would enhance that argument with phrasing (1+ / 0-)
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      something like "persons with mental illness" or "the mentally ill".

      "Paranoid schizophrenics" is a sort of 'prejudiced' or insensitive way of phrasing it. I work in the field and some find it offensive.

      Just sayin'

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:48:48 PM PST

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      •  Phrasing it in an offensive manner (0+ / 0-)

        May be the best tactic for actually passing meaningful legislation.

      •  It's not the "mentally ill." (0+ / 0-)

        It is this one category of the mentally ill.

        Hallucinations, "irresistible" voices, suicidal impulses. Waking nightmare.

        Also, Major Depression is the main driver for suicides. 15,000 a year.

        Be specific, where justified.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:22:32 PM PST

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        •  You are describing 'psychosis' (3+ / 0-)
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          which accompanies all the major mental illnesses.

          And that doesn't include personality disorders.

          The mental health system in this country - at least this area - is near-useless. So many cuts to funding and services over the past 20 years.

          I routinely work with people I don't even want to have a car, let alone a firearm....

          The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:48:54 PM PST

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          •  Yes, exactly. (0+ / 0-)

            We have 50,000 paranoid schizophrenics. That's people who will become psychotic if they aren't already.

            Depression causes 15,000 - 17,000 gun suicides a year. It's not technically psychosis, but close enough.

            Plus a couple thou murder-suicides....

            God, we're idiots. We let a damn lobbying group bribe and blackmail its way to dominance, killing thousands of people a year.

            "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

            by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 04:42:33 AM PST

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            •  Isn't it amazing I can have all the guns I want (2+ / 0-)
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              but cops will likely kill me if I grow a certain plant.

              Shoot at me, take my stuff, take my house, deport my wife....

              But I can have guns.

              I have always found this a tad questionable.

              The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

              by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:02:14 AM PST

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    •  The problem with this approach is that... (8+ / 0-)

      ...it doesn't deal with U.S. reality. Australia didn't start gun control in 1996. Handguns were pretty much banned at the end of World War II half a century before the '96 law. So there was a long history of restrictions that Australians had grown to accept. Same is true for England, which also passed a very restrictive law in 1996 but had extremely tough handgun laws long before that. Same is true in Japan where handguns have been completely forbidden since the postwar constitution was enacted and where tight gun restrictions were first put in place in 1617.

      We certainly need more gun restrictions. But if we are going to get some passed, we also have to be realistic. The vast majority of Americas do not believe in banning handguns, for instance.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:56:56 PM PST

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      •  So what ??? Australia was ahead of us. (0+ / 0-)

        That doesn't mean that the Aussie solution is any less the correct alternative, based on the evidence.

        Licensing guns is the key factor.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:24:34 PM PST

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        •  And this is why I don't support licensing. (0+ / 0-)

          See....this is why you can't have nice things.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 11:30:25 PM PST

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          •  What the Aussies do works. (0+ / 0-)

            What you "support" does not work.

            As written, you are saying you don't support licensing because it works.

            Pitiable.

            "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

            by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 04:44:28 AM PST

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            •  No, as writen I don't support it (1+ / 0-)
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              Because I don't believe in infringing on American rights.
              Any other constitutional amendments you care to do away with?
              Anything else you would like to take from innocent Americans, so you can feel more secure?

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:15:13 AM PST

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              •  Licensing doesn't "infringe" on anything. (0+ / 0-)

                No "innocent American" with a sensible world view is into Bircher Madness paranoia aimed at our police and military.

                "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

                by bontemps2012 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:54:30 AM PST

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                •  So says the person who wants licensing (1+ / 0-)
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                  in order to ban guns.

                  So, are there any other Constitutional rights of innocent Americans you want to do away with?
                  I'd just hate it if Constitutional rights gets in the way of your feelings.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:02:25 AM PST

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                  •  Do you believe the Black Helicopters (0+ / 0-)

                    are going to come and take away your car or your airplane or your boat or your x-ray machine at the office ?

                    Communal delusions feed paranoia.

                    Check out the techniques pioneered by the John Birch Society. Getting you to distrust our democracy has been going on for 50-odd years. One scam after another.

                    Lie after lie after lie, all trumpeted by corporate media.

                    "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

                    by bontemps2012 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:36:09 AM PST

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                    •  You supported registration that would lead to (0+ / 0-)

                      banning.
                      I simply reminded you of your perspective.

                      "paranoid"
                      So says the person whom insists that Americans give up their liberties in the futile quest to make you feel secure.

                      Your fears are irrational and your own problem.
                      Don't infringe on the liberties of innocent Americans for your irrational fears.

                      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                      by FrankRose on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:06:14 PM PST

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            •  bontemps2012, what is the licensing you seek? (1+ / 0-)
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              1) just information, thanks - to aid the CDC and other agencies on formulating an informed response to a national health crisis.

              2) some restrictions on who can be licensed, debarring certain persons as described in current law.  No license, no gun, no ammo.

              3) very restricted, to those who work for the 1% (Brooklyn Bad Boy) with current or former ties to the Police & Military.
              The definition of "need to have", tightly restricted to active-duty and actively employed only.

              4) just information, thanks, which we will use in a couple of years to round-up all the guns in civilian hands.  
              Anything which doesn't match the flintlock muzzleloader used circa 1792 is gone.  

              Oh, and black powder to shoot that?  Gone too.
              Same for the bayonet.  And lead for bullets.
              Have fun wanking with your inert gun:  
              Oooh I'm in the Militia!

              •  Look up the Australian system. (0+ / 0-)

                They have a thorough set of regulations. People feel that it is fair.

                One key is not to bend public policy to demands from paranoids.

                D'oh.

                "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

                by bontemps2012 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:39:24 AM PST

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                •  "from paranoids" (0+ / 0-)

                  So says someone so irrationally frightened he demands Americans give up their liberties so he can feel secure.

                  If you are really this frightened of American liberties, and this distrustful of American people, why are you staying in America?

                  It seems you would be more comfortable in Australia.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:44:48 PM PST

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    •  We do not have the balls, which is exactly why (3+ / 0-)
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      we need so many rounds of ammo.

      My daughter had a boss who took pride in going to his hunting lodge, sitting on his toilet and shooting at small game and whatever passed by from his O-ring.  I guess the fool was illiterate and couldn't just sit and read his "Guns and Ammo" like most other folks.  

      The impulse for destruction in some folks who have guns is alarming.  

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:21:39 PM PST

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