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View Diary: On Gun Control and Germans (Or, Why the Right is Wrong about Guns and Hitler) (47 comments)

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    DefendOurConstitution

    I hesitate to ask too many questions, but was it for lack of a permit, was she a member of a persecuted group?

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      oldpunk

      She owned a flower shop. She was German with a clean genealogy. She did join the party because she was a business owner and couldn't get a business license otherwise. They were her deceased husbands guns. She was keeping them for her son. The Nazi's just came searching whenever they pleased. And what are you going to do?

      They are still in that wall.

      •  Interesting (3+ / 0-)

        I would've thought that being a member of the party would mean you could have owned the guns without a permit as specified in the Wikipedia article. Though if she was a member purely out of fear or if that rule was only for certain tiers of the party I can see the officials not trusting her loyalty to the party.

        I certainly wouldn't put anything past the people who searched her house, at any rate. I apologize if I was implying anything about your husband's grandmother's story, I was merely trying to point out the disconnect between what conservatives believe Nazi-era gun control to be compared to what laws they actually passed.

        •  Everyone was a member (1+ / 0-)
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          oldpunk

          of the party. No, you couldn't own guns.

          EVERYBODY lived in fear. They would start at one end of the street and search every home to the end of the street. People were scared of each other, of their children! Children were encouraged to report even innocent things. Neighbor's turned on neighbors out of fear.

          It was a real police state.

          Nazi era gun control was much more draconian than the written law provided for the world's consumption. As was their actions concerning untermenschen.

          Thinking the Nazi's were temperate concerning gun control is remarkably naive.

          I mean, they were Nazi's. Those dudes earned their rep.

          •  Defer to real world experience (3+ / 0-)

            I can't really argue against someone's life experience. After all, she was there and I was not. So I concede it's probable that in a lot of cases the de facto law overruled the letter of it.

            While I still adhere to what I've found - that there was no law banning Germans from gun ownership - I think your family member's story does contribute an interesting bit of color and context to what it was like and may imply that just because you could own a gun didn't mean that the Nazi government wanted you to.

            •  It was a totalitarian regime (0+ / 0-)

              They also proclaimed to the world that the Jewish population was being cared for in an environment that made them healthy and happy!

              It was a difficult time for my husband's family, and they were privileged vs. other classes of people in Germany.

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