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    DFWmom

    I can substantiate my claims but I do not want to inundate the post with a bunch of links, so I will suffice with two, along with some history. Criminals in prisons have been known to make full auto weapons made from pieces of their beds and ammo stolen from guards. During WW2, the allies’ airdropped hundreds of Sten submachine guns into occupied France along with instruction on how to make more with only the tools found in a bike shop. During the Israel war for independence, freedom fighter made bullets from lipstick cases and weapons from scrap metal.  British author Philip Luty was arrested and thrown in jail after he published pamphlets detailing how to build fully automatic submachine guns from basic hardware parts. The list is almost endless

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    http://talks.guns.ru/...

    •  Unclear, apocryphal (0+ / 0-)

      You should have made those points clear. The implication in the context of modern gun control is that you could buy them there, as well as the ammunition, and that both of them are reliable enough for a cyclic rate of 900 rounds per minute. This is a far cry from improvising shotgun shells or making crude single-shot zip guns and is a claim that does require substantiation. Even Luty's homemade submachinegun design requires off-the-shelf ammunition.

      I would be very interested to know which prisons have had prisoners stealing ammunition from guards and making full auto firearms from pieces of their beds.

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        Well I assumed that the reader knew weapons are not sold in most hardware stores.  Also, 900 rounds per minute does not mean it shoots that many, it simply means the mechanics cycle that fast. These weapons are possible to make;  I never said they would work flawlessly. You are right that ammo is difficult to make, however, the Israelis have proven it possible.  Unfortunately, I don’t have a picture as it was simply a story I read in an book but I believe it was at San Quentin (I imagine it probably would have been similar to this http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/...

         Here is a similar story from Germany where the inmates were able to make this shotgun from their bed. http://www.marcsteinmetz.com/...

        •  Underestimating (0+ / 0-)

          This is Daily Kos. Never underestimate how un- or under-informed some of its members might be on the topic of guns, gun laws, gun history, or anything to do with guns, and how proud some of them are to remain that way.

          You and I might understand that even a semi-auto pistol can have a cyclic rate of hundreds of rounds a minute if you could pull the trigger that fast, or that you used to be able to buy dynamite and surplus military weapons by the case from Sears, or understand that improvised firearms are simple enough that if guns were totally banned, criminals could still make them. But here, you need to explain things carefully. If you are vague, you will be misinterpreted. If you get all technical, you are accused of using jargon to cloud the issue. If you ask for people to be better informed, you are called arrogant. While there is an RKBA group here, there are also a fair number of vocal anti-gun absolutists who have little interest in compromise, fact, reason or rational debate.

          Keep this in mind as you select your words.

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