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  •  In California we now have a non-partisan (26+ / 0-)

    commission drawing the lines for both state and federal districts. The voters took the task completely out of the hands of politicians. The 2012 cycle was the first with the new districts and most people gave the non-partisan commission of "just folks" good marks for not worrying about incumbents or parties, just fairness.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 08:49:08 PM PST

    •  Yes, but is it fair for the country to have (4+ / 0-)

      a major Democratic-leaning state send less Dem reps to congress than it could, you know to balance out the states highlighted in this diary?

      It seems like "we" (i.e., progressive types) shoot ourselves in the foot time after time after time.

      •  Yup, it is fair (0+ / 0-)

        Forget partisan politics.  When people know the vote they cast for Congress means nothing because the outcome is already determined, why do you think nobody trusts Congress?

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:40:50 AM PST

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    •  Massive mistake (4+ / 0-)

      This is unilateral disarmament by Democrats. Until there is a national solution, Democratic states need to gerrymander with the best of them.

      •  Retaliation, partisan advantage etc. (6+ / 0-)

        When Democrats have the advantage in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, what should be done?  I think they should take redistricting out of politicians' hands.  IMHO, it is much tougher to gerrymander in favor of Democrats.  You don't find large areas of competitive states that are 90-95% Republican, which can be a vote sink.  Secondly, having non-competitive districts makes for lousy representatives, no matter which party is in control.  

        In my home state of Minnesota, a Republican trifecta was stopped by the election of Democrat Mark Dayton.  Because Dayton was in the governor's chair, redistricting was sent to the courts.  Just a year later, Minnesota Democrats re-took both houses of the legislature with lines drawn by the courts.  More telling, we have more competitive House districts than almost any state.  Districts 1,2, 3, 7, and 8 all could swing with a good candidate for either party.  District 8 swung back to Democrats this year and Districts 2,3, and 7 were three of less than 20 nationally that voted for a rep from one party and the presidential candidate of the other party, a good sign of competitiveness.  

        •  AMEN (3+ / 0-)
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          Competitve districts lead to better governance.  Even though Allen Quist (in many respects) is a nutjob his viewpoints still deserved a chance to be heard on a broad level.

          (I thought the Cravaak seat was an accident.) The range is socially conservative but economically liberal.  With the antiunion animus of the GOP its a tough climb to take the seat but not impossible with a guns and abortion candidate.

          The GOP lost its majority in both houses because of its TP nuttiness and generally out of the mainstream attitudes. (Lets face it the voter id and marriage amdts mobilized the DFL to GOTV.)
           

          •  Don't disagree (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't disagree with anything you've said.  However, I wouldn't classify MN-8 as an "accident".  It was accomplishment of the GOP's wildest dreams, but nearly impossible to sustain without augmenting the district with many hard-right exurbanites.  The GOP House and Senate wasn't any nuttier than Wisconsin, but with fair lines drawn, Minnesota was able to flip both houses, while with gerrymandered lines, the Wisconsin GOP actually picked up seats while not getting a majority of votes in either house of the state legislature.  

            Quist's candidacy and primary victory made Walz' re-election a near certainty.  Thank you MNGOP.  Speaking of which, the MNGOP wasn't ready to govern and did make it easy for uncommitteds to vote for Democrats in 2012.  

            •  I realize I wasn't clear (0+ / 0-)

              I meant to say the Cravaak victory 2 years ago was somewhat accidental.

              Oberstar forgot that he needed to work to keep his job.....

              There definitely is a hard right streak of voters that run between Stillwater and St Cloud.......(Frankly I think that will be the seat that is redistricted out of existence in 2020 if Mn loses a seat to the next census.)

      •  What I say too (1+ / 0-)
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        I hear cries to ungerrymander a Democratic state like Illinois and my response is, "OK — after you give us Texas."

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:25:55 AM PST

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      •  CA got Democratic pickups because of... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...the Commission's redrawn lines, both in Congressional seats and in the State's legislature.  And that's in a state that is already very heavily Democratic-leaning, and as compared to 2000 district lines drawn largely by Democrats.  Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

        The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

        by TheOrchid on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:39:15 AM PST

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