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  •  Good point, but it's not just money. (1+ / 0-)
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    northsylvania

    Has any of that post-911 stuff had any real effect on the powerful elite?

    When the water wars begin, no one will be buying water, they'll be invading territory to control it and dominating technology to convert and clean it.  

    You are correct that it's really the powerful elite—including the powerful leaders in government, military, and corporate—around the world that will be in control (and in cahoots) and benefiting at whatever cost to the rest of us.  That really isn't any different than right now.  However, just as all wars in history have required a certain amount of human bodies in order to wage, these will as well.  Drones, tanks, missiles, etc. currently need a fossil fuel based energy system. They also need water and that will only intensify the feedback loop. They will need people and they will need every bit of emotional commitment and fervor from them (the non-elite) in order to win.

    The water wars, like all wars, will be about power.   It may come to pass that nation states will fall to corporate states (as once predicted in an article I read in the Economist). If does happen it will be because the corporate states will be able to better provide for basics like water and food, and maybe even a superior quality of life.  Ultimately, that's still not much different than now. Even the poorest American has a better quality of life than most of the world's population.  Somehow, I don't see GE doing a better job than Unlce Sam (if WWII is any example).

    The reason for all this is that when it comes to this level where social justice is secondary to survival, there will be no qualms about invading a country or countries, wiping out the population (which has benefits to the invaders in terms of "more resources for us") and controlling it for its resources. Who has the resources, the educated populace, and the most fervent national ego (USA! USA! USA!, American Exceptional-ism, etc.) to do that?   And we won't be alone.  Allies will fall in line behind the powers that are already in their countries "protecting" their interests.  

    Of course, as things deteriorate, it will probably all fall apart, unless what I fear the most happens: the west will determine exactly how many have to die in order for the elite and their friends to live as they once did.

    Yes, this is all very pessimistic and I have real hope that we will find a way to move forward in a sane and humane way, but one reality is that moving forward has to include population controls.  The planet simply cannot sustain us otherwise.  Let's hope we figure that before mother nature takes care of that for us.

    The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

    by Back In Blue on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 10:07:35 AM PST

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