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  •  I've got to disagree with you on one thing (5+ / 0-)

    You say the Colts left Baltimore "under similar circumstances to how Baltimore eventually got the Ravens."  I was around when the Colts left Baltimore, and this is emphatically not the case.

    The Colts owner was a pathetic, lying drunk whose own mother called him "a devil," who had promised not to leave Baltimore, despite ample evidence that he was negotiating to do so.  And when he did move the team, in the middle of the night, he took the name, the memorabilia, the records ... everything!

    When Art Modell moved the former Cleveland Browns to Baltimore, he had announced that he would be forced to do it if the Browns didn't get a new stadium, and once he made the decision to move, he voluntarily abandoned the name, the memorabilia, the records, etc.  The Ravens were essentially an expansion team with the players and management of the Cleveland Browns.  And Art Modell pledged to support Cleveland getting an expansion team, which he did.  Bob Irsay never did any such thing for Baltimore.

    I can understand why Cleveland fans are upset with Art Modell, but he's not even close to being in the same bad owners league with Bob Irsay.

    Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

    by leevank on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:54:21 PM PST

    •  And was this nonsense then? (0+ / 0-)
      he had announced that he would be forced to do it if the Browns didn't get a new stadium
      I find the owners whining about the stadiums to be a pretty good reason to hate on teams.  Focus on the Players, and ensure that nobody ever knows or cares about the Business.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:48:28 PM PST

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    •  I didn't say that Modell was similar to Irsay (0+ / 0-)

      I had the ironic experience of watching Barry Levinson's Diner for the first time the night that, as it turned out, the Colts were driving out of town in the infamous Mayflower moving vans. I had been a Colts fan since 1966 and had sat in the cold in Memorial Stadium watching Johnny Unitas, Raymond Berry, John Mackey, and other players of that era up through Bert Jones and Jim O'Brien.

      I understand the experience of losing the team in the depths of my soul. I understand. I was among those who showed up again in the cold for Stars games, then Stallions games. I'm one of those very few fans who have had the opportunity to cheer for four different championship football teams from the same city. I also froze through Ravens games at Memorial Stadium watching a young Ray Lewis develop and Vinnie Testaverdi throw great for 3 quarters and then choke in the 4th. I played the Ravens drinking game with a couple of buddies for Super Bowl XXXV, drinking a shot of Goldschlager every time the Ravens scored against the Giants. Fortunately I wasn't also drinking beer as the Ravens won 34-7. My point being that I'm through-and-through a Baltimore football fan.

      And, there were gray areas in each of these moves. Part of what caused Irsay to skedaddle was the fact that the Baltimore City Council were planning on passing a measure declaring the city's right to the team by imminent domain. By getting them out of town he settled that question a priori.

      In the case of the Browns, the people of Cleveland were set to vote on a stadium funding measure at the time when Art made the decision to take the Baltimore deal. There were enough financial incentives that he got a much better deal than under the new Cleveland stadium proposal.  The funding bill passed, and Art left anyway. But it is also true that he left the team's identity for the city of Cleveland, unlike Irsay.

      I mostly blame Paul Tagliabue for the Browns leaving Cleveland. Had he not been so prejudiced against Baltimore in the expansion process we would have already landed a franchise. Then, he provoked us by telling us to take our money and build a museum. So, we in essence told him to go fuck himself and bought the Browns instead.

      Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

      by kbman on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:17:20 PM PST

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