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  •  "If they've done nothing wrong, then (19+ / 0-)

    they have nothing to hide."

    Or is that reserved for use only in a different context? A thing citizens are supposed to say when defending authorities over-reach in surveillance?


    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 08:11:32 AM PST

    •  Yep! (15+ / 0-)

      Forget Presumption of Innocence...

      Forget Habeas Corpus...

      Free Speech is now collected as evidence against you...

      Mr. Hoover's dream is almost complete AND merged with Mr. McCarthy's dream.

      9-11 was an opportunity to show greatness, instead we used it to became monsters all over again.

      Welcome to 'Murika...where we turned chicken shit at every crisis and give up our liberties en masse, rather than stand up and say something (because it IS being taken down in evidence).

      We need No More Secrets.

      When a group like Anonymous pops up and fills a real need to obliterate the lies of our age, we have a very real social problem.

      Too bad our government is broken...

      Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Kurt Vonnegut

      by ToKnowWhy on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 09:22:14 AM PST

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      •  Hear! Hear!!! (10+ / 0-)
        9-11 was an opportunity to show greatness, instead we used it to became monsters all over again.
        I was horrified from the first propaganda b.s. coming out of Dumbya's and Dickie's mouths even before the 2000 "election" where Dumbya was appointed by SCOTUS..., and damn near prostrate after 9/11 when I heard those same lying and warmongering words out of the mouths of Democrats who should have known better.  9/11 was a criminal tragedy of earth-shattering proportions committed by 19 men using boxcutters(!)..., but it was still not an act of war.

        Democrats in Congress (and the president) act like they still don't realize they're regurgitating propaganda, and I still hear the crap about "troops fighting and dying for our freedoms."

        Bullshite!

        The troops are fighting and dying for the sake of oil corporations, mercenary corporations (of which Halliburton is but one) and the military-industrial-congressional complex that Eisenhower warned us against.

        Period.

        Democrats go right along with their Repuke "friends across the aisle" in approving bloated military budgets and non-war use of military force.  A criminal faction within one country is what the troops were going after (and then they let OBL go under orders from way up the chain of command), but otherwise neither country was ever a threat to us and they had not declared war on us.

        If our president and Congress Critters are not drunk on their own power..., just how stupid do they think we are???  I know there is an extraordinary number of kool-aid drinkers (more in media than I would have thought there should be), but it seems very few people are capable of analytical thought processes and they can't see the trees for the forest.  Ugh.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 11:14:32 AM PST

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        •  People see. Hence, the very low ratings (4+ / 0-)

          for Congress and Media.

          But where can the people see that super-majorities agree with them? For the politicians to acknowledge that all of us -- any part of the political spectrum -- know that the pols are basically crooks and imbeciles.

          Any real objections to things-as-we-have-them is completely excluded from the Public Space. And if we organize enough, say like Occupy, it gets spun into a limited outbreak.


          Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

          by Jim P on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 11:56:01 AM PST

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