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  •  Your knee jerk defensive response isn't (10+ / 0-)

    knee jerky enough. Read the comment above yours. The OP, whom you praised lavishly in your first comment in the thread, happens to agree that the debt ceiling is not the real battle and that the Dems are going to get bested in the sequester negotiations.

    The threats by the Republican House to blow up the economy by refusing to approve the ceiling increase are all for show. They know it. Obama knows it. And the Grand Bargain will be struck at sequester time.

    Unlike many here at the GOS, I don't believe Obama is a poor negotiator or "weak" in any way. From Day One he's been getting pretty much everything he wants - austerity, "shared" sacrifice and inexorable movement toward immediate resolution of the "debt crisis."

    Wear it proud. Wear it loud. Outlaw concealed carry. That gun hidden under your coat won't deter shit.

    by WisePiper on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:18:38 PM PST

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    •  I concur except that I think the Democrats will (9+ / 0-)

      Get the better of the Republicans when sequestration is revisited. The Republicans are so tied to reversing the military cuts that they will be willing to give on a lot of the other domestic spending.

      Further, affiant sayeth not.

      by Gary Norton on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:22:10 PM PST

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    •  Interesting ... (5+ / 0-)
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      aitchdee, j0em0mma, PLS, Quicklund, amsterdam

      Your opinion of Obama is strangely familiar ... a Manchurian candidate who came to power promising the opposite of what he intended to deliver.  I think I read it first of FreeRepublic ... but I'll keep an open mind. Who knows? You all could be right!

    •  Perhaps my knee did jerk (5+ / 0-)

      It tends to do that when the vastly complex push-and-pull of Washington DC politics is reduced to the like of PBO set it all up so he could push through the Medicare and SS cuts he wants.

      In the first place, no one can set up all the various power centers that influence American politics.

      In the second place, my eyes rebel when they read someone who simply must insist they can read the Presidential mind. I don't think the President wants to cut SS/MA any more than he wants this nation to be in the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression.

      •  I used the verb "wants" as a rough synonym for (6+ / 0-)

        acting in accordance with his beliefs.

        It doesn't take super duper mind reading skills to discern what the president believes in. One need only look at the track records of the individuals he has appointed throughout his presidency to advise him and help shape his policies.

        It wasn't until just a couple months before his reelection that he started paying lip service to more populist themes in an effort to shore up the support of the base. Prior to that it was 3 1/2 years of obsessive concentration on the need to get spending under control. He has never explicitly acknowledged the historically proven fact that the way to grow out of a recession is to put money into the hands of those who will immediately spend it in the economy.

        Those who incessantly bend over backwards to justify Obama's every move fail to understand that advocacy and negotiation are two entirely separate things. One can forcefully and consistently advocate for what is needed, while at the same time settling for less than what is needed in the face of opposition party obstructionism. Obama has failed at the advocacy component, and, I would submit, willfully.

        Willfully, not because he wants the American people to suffer, but because he believes that austerity and entitlement "reform" and ensuring the continued health of the TBTF banks are keys to growing the economy.

        And, he is dead fucking wrong.

        Wear it proud. Wear it loud. Outlaw concealed carry. That gun hidden under your coat won't deter shit.

        by WisePiper on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:39:12 PM PST

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