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  •  Pity the NEA feels the opposite way. (3+ / 2-)
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    The NEA was responsible for lobbying to assure that federally standardized tests didn't make it in the original bill.

    Of course, their position, along with most of the other teacher's lobbies, is that teachers shouldn't have any kind of objective evaluation.

    •  I think you are thinking that the purpose of the (9+ / 0-)

      test is to evaluate teachers, when, I think the purpose of a test is to evaluate student learning, which, I am not sure, but I think that would be the NEA position as well.

      •  Although the purpose of the MAP test is (6+ / 0-)

        ostensibly to measure student learning, you can be guaranteed that school boards and/or politicians will eventually require that it be used in determining teacher salaries and/or teacher dismissals.  At my college, student evaluations were originally instituted as a way of "improving instruction by examining the students' perspectives."  A few years later, one of my untenured colleagues (who was disliked by the chairperson) was fired after a handful of negative comments from a class of over 150.  Those negative from nine students (less than six percent of the class) were cited as the prime reason for firing this person.

      •  If the test measures things (8+ / 0-)

        teachers are not expected to teach, and then their evaluations are partly based on them, how is that remotely rational?

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:46:40 PM PST

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      •  wrong. we are told in school by administration (0+ / 0-)

        in no uncertain terms; the tests are there to evaluate the teachers, so if the kids fail it's the teacher's fault.I am not a teacher by the way but work in the schools and I have heard the supervisor say this on numerous occasions.

    •  From the NEA link you provide: (12+ / 0-)
      Chairman Kline’s bills would also gut protection of state and local fiscal support for schools, triggering a race to the bottom in the foundation of public education. Federal dollars would be used to backfill state and local funding gaps rather than assisting students who need additional support or attention to thrive, particularly those in poverty.  
      The link you provided was about a bill from last year that would have allowed that.
      •  I linked a recent bill... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...because it showed their continued position regarding the issue of federal standards:

        The bills also eliminate all focus on the quality of teachers entering the profession and would grant the federal government top-heavy control over development of teacher evaluation systems.  NEA believes that the bar for entry into the profession must be raised and that educators deserve comprehensive, top-notch evaluation systems that are developed with them not for them.
        The NEA takes pretty much the exact opposite position to having one standardized federal test:
        The federal government should require states and districts to prepare educational equity and adequacy plans that address disparities in resources, support services, programs, and opportunities to experience smaller classes, advanced courses, and exposure to accomplished educators.
        •  where does it state that the NEA opposes (4+ / 0-)

          federally produced/mandated standardized tests?

          "The federal government must increase support for educational research and development, and should create a clearinghouse for promising, innovative practices.

          ESEA should end the obsession with high-stakes, poor-quality tests by developing high-quality assessment systems that provide multiple ways for students to show what they have learned. The best way to assess student achievement is with multiple, valid, reliable measures of student learning and school performance over time.

          We must replace the cheap, flawed standardized tests now used with second-generation assessment systems that (1) provide students with multiple ways to show what they have learned over time and (2) provide educators with valid data to improve instruction and enhance support for students.

          The concept of Adequate Yearly Progress (AYP) must be replaced by a system that recognizes schools’ progress in meeting learning goals and correctly identifies struggling schools so they can get the support they need to improve.
          High-quality, longitudinal data systems that improve instruction and protect the privacy of students and educators need to be developed.

          Special populations—such as students with disabilities and English-language learners—have unique instructional and assessment needs. Standards and assessments must be accessible to all students."

          either i'm missing it, or you're making it up.

    •  That's dishonest (4+ / 0-)

      I can't believe someone would stoop to lying like this.  

      Teachers already have objective evaluations based on set of standards that are agreed upon, and then evaluated by the principal.  

      If you think the only objective way to evaluate an individual is by the numbers thart are the result of test scores, then you are completely wrong.  


      by otto on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:11:42 PM PST

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    •  HR'd for the RW talking point. (4+ / 0-)

      Having worked at the local and national level, I can say from experience that this is absolutely false.

      Of course, their position, along with most of the other teacher's lobbies, is that teachers shouldn't have any kind of objective evaluation.

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      by divineorder on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:40:36 PM PST

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