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  •  Where in any other post (3+ / 0-)
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    do you see any use of statistic?

    You think the statement that "EVERY woman lives in fear wherever she goes" is just fine and does not need any supporting evidence? Yet the statement that I found at least one who does not somehow needs statistical support?  


    To disprove an "every" statment you only need to find one example.

    •  You're leaving out some important words: (6+ / 0-)

      From the original:

      This fear and uneasiness is woven into the unconscious and in many cases, the conscious substance of every woman in the world in the daytime, at night, in any part of town, and in her own home."

      It's not the sort of immediate shot of adrenaline you feel when, say, that car looks like it's driving straight at you, not usually.  It's not even as immediate, as close to awareness as when you're waiting for someone's test results to come back benign or malignant, though that comes closer.

      Please go and read this. And maybe also this. And consider what you see there.

      Until then, I don't see much point in continuing this discussion.

      •  I will give them a read in the AM (3+ / 0-)
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        and maybe an update in the late PM.  But my response now

        I doubt you would even say that Sirenus's apparent reaction to the fear of sexual violence is reasonable reaction for the average American woman.

        Even if so. are you afraid of those other things I listed? Like climbing a ladder and falling? Would you not paint your house because of it. Would you say that  household accidents have woven fear and uneasiness into the unconscious of everyone?

        The statistics are compatible to numerous tragedies. Each regrettable and deserving of a campaign to reduce them.  But that statement is outlandish and unreasonable when applied to any of them. Ubiquitous fear is not reasonable and from my own life is not common.

        •  People tend to fear things out of their control (2+ / 0-)
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          I should be more scared of slipping in the bathtub than I am of spiders in my shoes, but I'm not.  Why? because when I'm in my bathtub I am standing on my own two feet, and if there's a spider in my shoe, well, it really has nothing to do with me.  (ok, this is an absurd example, but I didn't want to use flying and driving, because those are boring).

          The point is that if a man decides to physically take something from a woman, he can.  (let's ignore the statistical outliers regarding size/strength, they exist, they are rare).  Physical force is the ultimate commone denominator, it's an equalizer that isn't equal.  

        •  If you are not afraid of men in general, you are (0+ / 0-)

          Men are strong and many are not loving or benign.

      •  i gave them a read (0+ / 0-)

        and cant really call them enlightening. More condescending but not really on point.

         This was a public rant about how ALL woman are so afraid of men that they are ALL scared even in their own homes. This is not even close to a reasonable claim.

        The premises of this abject fear seems to be that the risk these events is so very massive.

        But the fact that the chances of these crimes is roughly equivalent  to a myriad of other severely traumatic and life altering experiences  makes this claim ridiculous.

        The same rates roughly applied to car accident deaths. The same rates apply to generic murder.  The same rates apply to simple accidents that lead to death and sever disability.

        Fears of these do not permeate the lives of average woman nor men.

        The author picks their own fear and applies it to everyone. People have their phobias however it is not reasonable to assume everyone shares your own personal one.

    •  The fail is strong in this one (5+ / 0-)

      just like every other student who tries to use Wikipedia in the college courses I teach.

      Better yet, have daughters, like I do, and then tell them you talked to your girlfriend, so whatever they experience can't be true, so they should just lace up their petticoats and be good wimmin folk!

      Or try Red State. Critical thinking & nuance isn't in high demand over there.  

      A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

      by METAL TREK on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 10:27:17 PM PST

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