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  •  Oh yea, (3+ / 0-)
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    forgot that given the chance a couple of months ago, Wisconsin kept its red congress.  Don't know what's happened there---it's like I want to ask "who kidnapped my Wisconsin and what's the ransom to get it back?"  And yet the state goes for Obama.  Go figure.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 05:26:48 PM PST

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    •  I figure (7+ / 0-)

      That it takes 1.8x as many votes to get a Democrat into the Assembly as it does a Republican (~36,000 votes per rep vs ~20,000).

      Even if we shifted to a proportional representation system it wouldn't be exactly 1.0x, but 1.8x is deep into taking-the-piss territory: D's get the majority of actual votes cast, R's get a 3/5 quorum supermajority.

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 06:16:43 PM PST

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    •  This has been explained a zillion times here. (7+ / 0-)

      The reason the state can go for Obama and yet still keep a red state legislature is very simple:

      1 - The state electorial college votes are decided by who wins a majority (technically a plurality if a third-party candidate had a strong enough showing to get a three way split) of the popular vote.

      2 - The legislative districts are now heavily gerrymandered in favor of the GOP.

      3 - Putting #1 and #2 together its easy to see how with a close enough margin between red and blue, it's possible for the presidential vote (not affected by gerrymandering) to go one way while the state legislature vote (heavily affected by gerrymandering) goes the other way.

      •  But it wasn't even close (5+ / 0-)

        The popular vote for Assembly was D 52-46 R, a hefty margin.  The result in seats was D 39-60 R.

        Also note Reince Priebus' plot to gerrymander the Electoral College.

        Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

        by GeoffT on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 09:06:07 PM PST

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        •  That's not a large enough margin to overcome (1+ / 0-)
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          a really strong gerrymandering.  Really.  It's not.  It's still close enough.

          •  It could be strong enough down to 25%+50 support (0+ / 0-)

            Well, theoretically at least that's enough for a majority of majorities (with even turnout in each district, that is).

            My point though was simply that it seems ridiculous that we have to describe a 6% deficit in the popular vote as "close enough" for a majority.

            Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

            by GeoffT on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 01:37:04 PM PST

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      •  I wonder if hardship incurs geo-shifts of voters? (0+ / 0-)

        Maybe the district composition (the reason why US Const requires 10 year census) will change faster than 'usual'? or more slowily? I wonder if an econ or demographics specialist has looked at this.

        ♥ Repeal the Capital Gains, Carried Interest & Dividends Entitlements bequeathed to 'more special' taxpayers.

        by in on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:56:34 AM PST

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    •  I think you need to look again (4+ / 0-)
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      If you look at the statewide vote, Democrats beat the crap out of Republicans.  In fact, the Democratic vote in Wisconsin mirrored that of our vote for Obama.  That, however, didn't matter because of the gerrymandering done in 2011.

      Republicans did to Wisconsin what they did to Texas in their gerrymandering.  In Texas, they parcelled out concentrations of Democrats into Republican areas so a Democrat couldn't get elected anywhere in the state.  Here, they pushed all the Democratic voters into just a few districts and it affected not only Congressional Reps, but our state Legislature, as well.

      Unless Republican voters wise up, the GOP will have majorities in perpetuity ONLY because of the serious gerrymandering they did.

      Voters turned out - and Democratic voters turned out - and independents turned out - and students turned out.  Gerrymandering, however, changes everything.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 11:45:42 PM PST

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      •  check dk & the web: anti-gerrymander initiatives. (0+ / 0-)

        I saw a quick comment claiming that mostly bluestates have created gerrymandering reforms. The results aren't 'perfect' but are usually better.
        A non-partisan (as it should be)  oriented campaign for redistricting reform initiative should appeal to many R voters.

        ♥ Repeal the Capital Gains, Carried Interest & Dividends Entitlements bequeathed to 'more special' taxpayers.

        by in on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 06:01:29 AM PST

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