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  •  Perhaps, rather than my needing to rethink my (2+ / 0-)
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    statement you would be well served by putting yourself in the position of the combatants who actually take the shot. It's easy, here in the comfort of our keyboards, to be ever so moral. On the ground, there and then it's all different.

    I've been there. I know what it's like, at that moment and in all the long years that follow. I don't often tell stories about that stuff - most folks who've never been there wouldn't understand, couldn't understand, and those who've been there already know - but just the other night for some reason I related part of the story of a friend of mine who killed two children in a comment.

    The crime is committed by We, the People, when we send our agents out to kill or be killed.

    “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

    by DaNang65 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:39:25 AM PST

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    •  We, the People (2+ / 0-)
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      we the people do not send our agents out to kill or be killed.

      we the people are outraged.

      we the people have put up with a war in Afghanistan that is now in its 12th year, because we the people keep getting lied to as to what the mission is, in its ever-changing goals.

      we the people, is just a quaint ole phrase that may have meant something  in that document as s the country was setting up.

      we the people were told by one president that the US does not torture when it did, by another president who supposedly stopped torture, but we are a country who still "renders" people to other countries, for what purpose, if not torture?

      we the people are lied to in so many ways, as we the people have a DOD with a 5 billion budget for its public relations department.

      There just is no longer a "We, the People", in this country. We just disappeared as the MIC took over.

      The crime is committed by We, the People, when we send our agents out to kill or be killed.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 12:07:29 PM PST

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      •  And there we have genuine disagreement. (1+ / 0-)
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        We, the People, have allowed the MIC its place, with our fears, with our disinterest, with our abdication of social responsibility in pursuit of whatever geegaws have captured our attention.

        Saying "It wasn't it my name" is a cop out. Unless we rounce our citizenship and leave these shores we own all that is done in our names, like it or not.

        “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

        by DaNang65 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 12:18:39 PM PST

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        •  The last protest marches for me were against (4+ / 0-)

          the Iraq war. When around 2/3 of the populace wanted out of the Iraq war, I recall the words of Cheney, "So", and more recently Panetta's words on Afghanistan.

          There is no we the people left in this country.

          So, if you still believe in we the people, do you have suggestions on how we stop this madness of military forays and military bases around the globe, the MIC sucking the economy dry?

          I am as politicially active as I can possibly be, but I have little faith left in we the people to have power to change much of anything in DC. There was a time when I felt the opposite.

          Perhaps a million person march might garner some attention in the press, but an impact to change the WH and congressional policies, I do not know the answer. I feel such despair as the insane foreign policy in this country continues on decade after decade.

          We, the People, have allowed the MIC its place, with our fears, with our disinterest, with our abdication of social responsibility in pursuit of whatever geegaws have captured our attention.

          Saying "It wasn't it my name" is a cop out. Unless we rounce our citizenship and leave these shores we own all that is done in our names, like it or not.

          How do we stop the MIC, the WH, and congress, (that  never lack the votes for war funding)?

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

          by allenjo on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 12:53:47 PM PST

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      DaNang65

      I hear what you are saying, and no, I have never been in combat.
         But then, for example, I've never committed a violent crime. That doesn't mean I can't make a moral judgement about it.

        More importantly, I'm not the first.
      The Geneva Convention makes moral judgements about treating children as combatants.

        There are certain things I don't have to do myself to have a say about.
         And I'm pretty sure that every American soldier that has ever killed a child, even in self-defense, can't help but feel he's done something wrong - even if he had no choice in the matter.

        War is an unnatural institution. People are forced to do unnatural and immoral things in it.

      ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

      by gjohnsit on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 01:04:53 PM PST

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