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  •  Congratulations to your 13 year old self (1+ / 0-)
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    But I definitely don't need to be schooled on the great wisdom you possessed in your childhood on self defense.  You really think people don't believe in self defense?  You think anybody believes that they don't have to defend themselves?  

    There are a lot of ways to defend oneself.  This particular diary emphasizes the point that in some situations, there aren't options beyond weapons.  In most of the civilized world, however, you are more likely to accidentally injure yourself or someone else with a gun than you are to successfully defend yourself with one.  In my home, with my child, that means absolutely no guns.  I would never risk a gun accident around my child for a hypothetical scenario far less likely to occur than the motivation for taking that risk is.  Fine for you if that is your thing, but it's not mine.  I find that dogs are a very, very effective way to protect homes from intruders.

    Enjoy your battles with the evil authoritarians trying to prevent mass shootings of school children.

    •  Arguments I've never made. (1+ / 0-)
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      You really think people don't believe in self defense?  You think anybody believes that they don't have to defend themselves?  
      While I didn't review with you the incident when I was 13, at that time it was my fathers mandated firearms training that save my life and my sisters against a gang of thugs trying to break into our home.

      That tool was the only thing that stopped them.

      And I didn't fire a shot.

      I would have then and I would even to this day, if I owned a firearm, use it in my own defense or the defense of others.  

      I chose not to become a killer.

      That personal choice is no longer mine to make.

      As for your claim, "its about the children" is a load of bullcrap.

      How many mass shootings of children in schools in NYS have there ever been? ZERO.

      How many children in NYS died from assault rifles last year? Zero.

      How many children will it save in NY again?

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Jan 15, 2013 at 11:17:00 PM PST

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      •  This a terrible incident and I understand the... (0+ / 0-)

        ...personal point of view. However, law should not be based on anecdote, and there's an obvious corollary to your self defence: intruders are more likely to be armed as well, or to steal your weapon and use it against yourself.

        The individual logic of self defence is completely understandable in conditions of weapons proliferation. It's simple game theory.

        What government and public policy is for is to change the terms of the game. If firearms were way less prevalent, as they are in the UK, you wouldn't even think about needing to be armed beyond a knife or blunt instrument.

        Individual decisions about driving, vaccination etc might make sense to the individual at any one term. But restrictions of individual liberty for the sake of general liberty (that people don't drive under the influence or pass on measles and mumps) are one of the reasons most western democracies have thrived

        The Fall of the House of Murdoch -with Eric Lewis and all the latest Leveson evidence out now!

        by Brit on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 02:26:50 AM PST

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      •  You did make that argument (0+ / 0-)

        When you congratulated me for learning what you have always known.  Obviously the congrats only applies if I was previously clueless about the need for self defense.

        And it is about the children.  Most people look at what happened at newtown and think we have to do everything we can to prevent that from ever happening again, anywhere.  Most people aren't thinking, phew, wasn't my state, and it's a statistical anomaly anyway that we are powerless to prevent.  
        I, for one, never again want see the pictures of the smiling faces, knowing they met their end via execution in their classroom.  I never again want to read about a mother insisting on the governor viewing the open casket of her baby filled with 11 bullets just to drive home the level of barbarism her baby was subjected to.  Most of all, I don't want it to happen to my child.  If trying to prevent that inconveniences people who think they should be entitled to defend themselves not just with a gun, but with a military style semi automatic weapon capable of committing massacres within seconds, so be it.  IMHO, of course.

        We regulate dynamite and other exosplosives because of their destructive capabilities.  It makes sense that we would regulate guns that possess similar destructive capabilities.

        By the way.  You can still buy guns in New York.  A lot of them.  In fact, you could legally purchase a whole arsenal in NY, and then use that in your battle against the evil authoritarians "taking all the guns away" (read: regulating the especially destructive guns to try and prevent massacres if school children).

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