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  •  Both sides do this, not just the GOP (0+ / 0-)

    How can anyone who reads and blogs here everyday believe that only the GOP is engaged in gerrymandering.  For the last several years, how many of us here have proposed maps that benefit our party?  Maryland was totally gerrymandered by us Dems and we gained a seat.  Illinois, with a Democrat governor and legislature, was gerrymandered and the result was that we picked up four seats and almost got a 5th seat.  How many of us here were upset with New York Governor Cuomo because he did nothing to try to pick up some house seats for us? I know I was.  

    If you want to say that the process is corrupt and that we should do a commission, as we did here in California, I would totally agree.  But, for anyone on our side to complain about the GOP when they are doing exactly what we are doing, is complete hypocrisy.  

    •  Did you even read what I wrote? (1+ / 0-)
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      In contrast, Democrats had far fewer opportunities and weren't nearly as ruthless and in Arkansas even gerrymandered a map that gave Republicans all four seats!  In both Illinois and Maryland we could have gained 1 more seat with more aggressive maps.
      Of course Democrats do it too, but Republicans had far more opportunities to gerrymander and did so much more aggressively.  The net outcome is that gerrymandering this past redistricting cycle benefited Republicans considerably more than Democrats.
      While in an ideal world we would have fair districts nationwide with mixed-member proportional representation on top so that line drawing doesn't affect the partisan control of congress (and no senate or electoral college too), we don't live in an ideal world.  I'll support independent redistricting in Illinois and Maryland when we get it in Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Wisconsin
      Plus, at the end I clearly said I wanted every state to be un-gerrymandered, but I don't believe in unilateral disarmament when your opponent is poised to strike.

      NC-06/NC-04; -9.12, -8.62; Yellow Dog Democrat

      by sawolf on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:39:56 AM PST

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      •  Yes, I read what you wrote (0+ / 0-)

        You are saying that the GOP was much more aggressive than we were and that we should fight fire with fire.  You are saying we can either wait until the 2022 elections or we could put ballot initiatives in the states that would benefit us the most and then undo the redistricting.  In other words, you are saying we need to be even more aggressive than the GOP, not less or equally aggressive.

        All I was saying was that this gerrymandering has been occurring for 200 years or so and that both sides do it.  In California, where we did an independent commission, it actually benefitted the Democrats because there are so many more Dems in this state.  So, we didn't lose anything by playing more fairly.

        If we want to be selective in what states we push for these independent commissions, sure, why not.  But, clearly California proved that we don't have to do universal disarmament.

        In the larger sense, while we can certainly go forward and push to change the system, just remember, that after the redistricting in 2000-2002, the GOP did some incredible gerrymandering, in Pennsylvania, for example, but, by 2006, they lost lots of US House seats there, because of corruption and ineptitude on the part of their individual members.  I say this because with all these hard core right wing seats in the US House, the extremists they enable to come in will only burn their own bridges long before 2022.  

        The more swingier their districts are, the more likely the members have to vote in the middle, as you alluded to.

        The upcoming debate on gun control will certainly be a test of this, in that if legislation passes that most people can agree on, this will benefit us.  If we push for legislation that is seen as an affront to those from different cultural backgrounds, i.e., red states, we will only fall further back in the midterms of 2014.  

        Certainly the midterms of 2010 had a lasting effect on us, in bringing in GOP governors and legislators just in time to take full advantage of the redistricting process.

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