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  •  It is the difference between (1+ / 0-)
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    a rebellion and a revolution. It doesn't become a revolution unless you pull it off. That rebellion would not have resulted in a revolution without the French.

    •  Not a revolution until we had the blessing of the (2+ / 0-)
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      French?

      That is real nonsense. The day we declared Independence the fight went from being a rebellion to being a revolution.

      The Revolution itself, was completely peaceful; it only took a Declaration and the ringing of bells.

      Defending the Revolution, however, was another matter.

      Could the peaceable principle of the Quakers be universally established, arms and the art of war would be wholly extirpated: But we live not in a world of angels...I am thus far a Quaker, that I would gladly agree with all the world to lay aside the use of arms, and settle matters by negotiation: but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my musket and thank Heaven He has put it in my power.”
      ― Thomas Paine

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Dec: Life so cheap; property so sacred.

      by JayRaye on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:29:36 AM PST

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      •  If the British had prevailed (0+ / 0-)

        and put down the rebellion then the Declaration of Independence would have become a little know historical curiosity. The rebellion became a revolution when the British surrendered at Yorktown. The French fleet was a major part of that engagement.

        •  Definitions are not retroactive. (1+ / 0-)
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          Had we lost, it would have been a failed revolution.

          The day we declared Independence we were officially another nation. On that day the Revolution took place. And even before that we had government in place. At the national level and at the town level. These were Revolutionary governments in defiance of the King.

          We negotiated Nation to Nation for help from the French and Spanish. That is because the Revolution had already taken place.  We were already an Independent Nation. The French and the Spanish helped us defend our Revolution, but they did not make us a nation.

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Dec: Life so cheap; property so sacred.

          by JayRaye on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:49:31 AM PST

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    •  I still disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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      Chitown Kev, JayRaye

      I think the French helped shorten the war, but ultimately the British could not maintain control of the colonies. Guerrilla warfare is difficult to defeat, especially 3000 miles from home.

      If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

      by HairyTrueMan on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 09:32:48 AM PST

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