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  •  say what now? (1+ / 0-)
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    given that the American people are fundamentally liberal and they back the liberal side of every important issue
    since when are americans on the liberal side of every important issue?  is that how we ended up with single payer?

    i'm sorry, but that is just fanciful thinking.  passing an AWB would demonstrate in a new york minute just how NOT on the liberal side of every important issue americans are.  hell, the left isn't even united on the AWB.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:52:47 AM PST

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      http://blog.timesunion.com/...

      http://tv.msnbc.com/...

      http://thehill.com/...

      I completely agree that the American people are not fundamentally liberal... but where are you getting the science that says the AWB is some kind of game-changer?  I can't find any non-NRA polling where it isn't overwhelmingly popular...

      Too Folk For You. - Schmidting in the Punch Bowl - verb - Committing an unexpected and underhanded political act intended to "spoil the party."

      by TooFolkGR on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:19:47 AM PST

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      •  that first link was NY only (0+ / 0-)

        and 58% in favor of an "assault weapons ban" must be taken with a grain of salt.

        here is the nitty gritty on the poll cited at your msnbc link:

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

        Q: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on semi-automatic handguns, which automatically re-load every time the trigger is pulled?

        51%

        Q: Would you support or oppose a law requiring a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons?

        58%

        Q: For each item I name, please tell me how much, if at all, you think it contributes to gun violence in this country: the availability of assault weapons?

        45%

        only 45% of the respondents said "a great deal" and only 28% said "somewhat." neither of those is a majority.  yes, when combined, the number is formidable, but those are still discrete positions whose support doesn't necessarily overlap.    

        and i'm very sad to say that a lot of people are misinformed about how much "assault weapons" really contribute to u.s. gun deaths.  i wonder how many people would still support an AWB when they realize it would fail to address 98% of our gun death problem, e.g., a majority of u.s. gun deaths are from handguns. and a majority of them are suicides.

        also, you can shave several percentage points off of that 58% simply because "assault weapons" was not defined at all.  who knows what people had in mind when they ticked off "yes."

        it's one hell of a sticky wicket, mang.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 09:10:29 AM PST

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    •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

      It's just demonstrable fact. On every major issue the American people favor liberal policy, usually by majorities of 60-70%.

      What's fanciful is the notion that we're a conservative nation. That's doesn't measure up in the polls.

      Take the recent election, a clear choice between a candidate the voters thought was a clear liberal (due to bombardment of campaign ads) vs. a guy they were convinced is conservative (because he spent literally months trying to convince them he is). The "conservative" lost to the "liberal" by about 4-5 million votes.

      You could have socialist healthcare in this country if they voters knew the facts.

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