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  •  And worse than winning the House (26+ / 0-)

    that way Virginia, and I believe Ohio and Wisconsin, are now considering casting their Presidential electoral votes by district.  This could have the same effect on the White House as it did on the House of Congress.

    •  Simple and effective response (10+ / 0-)

      Registration, registration, and more registration.  Then top it off with a badass GOTV.  They showed us their soft underbelly last year - believing their own bullshit and ignoring reality.  But we need to show them in the starkest terms possible how we are going to counter them.  How many new voters we will bring to the table, published monthly, in the next 18 months, can't be countered by some slimy tricks by the Legislature or Governor.  We have the numbers to win everywhere.

      No whining, no griping and no crying.  Just show up at the polling places with a bigger gang.  The demographic winds are blowing in our direction.  Now do something about it.

      "Never let up. Crush bigotry and greed."

      by LouisMartin on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 03:13:45 PM PST

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      •  When 15 of the 18 electorial (18+ / 0-)

        districts in Ohio were RED even though the 3 Blue ones had more votes, it DOES make a difference in a Presidential election.

        They stick as many Democrats into as few districts as possible while doing what they do to mine....

        Making it a 45/55 unGodly shaped District, but it has just enough Republicans to pretty much stay Republican.

        I'm in Texas so ......  I'm also a member of a group on Facebook called.... Texas is not a RED State, we're just Gerrymandered that way.   And we are.

        Happened after the 2000 Census and guess who was our Governor until he took office in 2001?  Yeah, Georgie Boy.  Like he didn't have a hand in things.

        -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

        by MarciaJ720 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:17:40 PM PST

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        •  I think this has to be tackled at the state level (5+ / 0-)
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          as CA and FL have done [I'm surprised that list isn't longer, but what do I know?]

          And considering the success of initiatives repealing horrendous legislation in OH and MI, it may be a good tactic in those states [and WI and PA and VA] to launch an initiative creating a nonpartisan redistricting body. The bare stats make the case, and this Republican report can be quoted to make it harder for them to deny it.

          into the blue again, after the money's gone

          by Prof Haley on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 05:43:20 PM PST

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          •  gerrymandering is initiative-proof can't undo (1+ / 0-)
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            according to someone somewhere on Kos in last few days (sorry don't remember). In at least two of the states I think PA and WI were being discussed not sure, he said that initiatives can't repeal them because of some provision or manipulation of state law how they did it made them immune to any way the people can fix it beyond electing ALL DEMS enough to have supermajority to undo.

        •  Ma, as in dragon above, is gerrymandered blue (1+ / 0-)
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          I wonder though if Red states are more Likely to gerrymander?
          I know also that it has been a special concerted seemingly coordinated effort in Red-Governed states these last years.


      •  I think we shold also gripe about this seeing that (3+ / 0-)
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        it is unpatriotic and unethical for them to do this.
        I feel it's treasonous.

      •  Registration won't matter in a state like PA if (4+ / 0-)
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        they allocate electoral votes by congressional district. There aren't enough dems or potential dems in the wide swaths of the state that make up the vast "T" in the middle. Those are rural, low-population areas. If this proposal goes through then the votes of people in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh will count less than those in rural counties.

        The only way to counter this is to get rid of the electoral college -- the districts can't be redrawn till 2020, and the Repubs have a strong grip on the state legislature and that's not likely to change.

    •  horrible. (1+ / 0-)
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      and sorry my post below is redudant missed this. Rachel Maddow did a spot this week on this issue. They figured out that if all states (or swing states?) had allocated/divided electoral college by congressional seats won rather than winner take all as is usual, Obama would have LOST THE ELECTION by about 20 electoral votes but still winning the popular vote by (isnt' it) 4 million(!!!!!)

    •  If they do that, they will have no legitimacy (1+ / 0-)
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      When Bush "beat" Gore, it was one thing, because at least it came down to the states.  What Republicans don't seem to understand is overtly cheating to win will cost them any legitimacy.  And it will matter.  

      The American public will not stand for a Republican presidency that occurs due to changing the rules, resulting in a Republican win even though they suffered a decisive popular vote loss.  

      Also, demographics and the insanity of the Republican party that has kept going right, partially because it has gerrymandered its way to a majority, are threatening to render everything moot.  Republicans are on the wrong side of history, and when your voting groups are losing ground, drawing a bunch of 55/45 districts puts you at serious risk of getting wiped out by the end of the next decade.  

      Republicans have managed to hang onto power for a few more years, and it is very bad that they have done so.  It's also very bad that mismanagement by Obama and the Dems gave Republicans the levers to redistricting at the completely wrong time.  However, even with all that in place, the Republicans could still end up losing the House before the end of the decade, and once we redistrict back to a more balanced setup in 2020, they'll get massacred.  At this point they have almost no chance of making further gains from gerrymandering as they are already approaching their maximum potential.  

      •  The people won't do anything, they didn't do (1+ / 0-)
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        anything about Bush.  The way to handle this is that the money flows to them by district and the district with the most people gets the money.  Fewer people, less money, let's face this, this is all about money.

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