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  •  This is yet another domestic violence incident (17+ / 0-)

    ending in murder. Period.

    Can we please stop ignoring domestic violence against women? Please? This isn't about a gun fetish. This is about violence against women. It happens every day. Every hour.

    According to the linked article,

    Cornett alleged in a motion that Stidham, who worked at a tobacco shop in Pigeonroost owned by his mother, had a history of drug abuse and "issues with his temper," often becoming angry when Jaydien cried or didn't listen.
    The local domestic violence center even comments on this at the end. A 30 day waiting period may or may not have deterred this man from killing his ex-girlfriend and 2 other people. We will never know. But it is quite likely, from all of the statistics available from domestic violence incidents, that eventually he would have attacked or killed her regardless of whether or not he waited 30 days to obtain a weapon.

    I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

    by Pager on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:29:55 AM PST

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    •  I was reacting more to Yeager and the NRA... (3+ / 0-)
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      But then I think domestic violence is a mental health issue as well.

    •  Pager: I think those who commit Domestic (4+ / 0-)
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      Violence do have a mental disorder.

      I don't think anyone is ignoring DV against women or children here.

      •  Respectfully, I disagree. (8+ / 0-)

        I've worked in DV for years and it isn't a mental disorder. And unfortunately, I think it is largely being ignored in this particular diary, by you, the diarist. I have no wish to hijack yours so I'll move on to something else.

        I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

        by Pager on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:43:18 AM PST

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        •  shows the problems in even discussing DV (6+ / 0-)

          While people who commit DV have aberrant personalities, that aberration does not rise to the level of a mental  disorder.  They do need counseling but to label it a mental defect or disease in some ways lessens their responsibility for their own action.

          Combine this with popular acceptance of DV as a norm (even in our popular media, we have TV shows where Ricky spanks Lucy and who can forget Ralph Kramden's "To the moon, Alice, to the moon"?), and it is a time for detailed discussion on the matter.  I noted elsewhere that ACA discussions should include facilitating access to mental health care; perhaps ACA discussions should also include DV, both in providing care for victims and mandating intervention for perpetrators ( i apologize if I am not particularly clear on this point but I am still mulling it around)

          •  DV in the ACA (1+ / 0-)
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            Provisions in the ACA encourage Primary Care Providers to ask specific questions about depression, drug and alcohol (as well as nicotine) and exercise and safety. In a PCP visit and maybe more often in an OB/GYN visit, a patient will reveal abuse she is experiencing. At our FQHC, the person is referred to in-house. LCSW. Whence able, most of the time, the PCP will go the the LCSW and do a warm hand-off, increasing the likelihood that the patient will come in for an Intake. During the warm hand-off, the LCSW will explain what resources are available and where to call. I have had situations where the patient was with me and we had police come through the back door to take the woman to the shelter as the perpetrator was in the waiting lobby. True to form, when he saw the police car, he got in his car and took off.

            •  thank you for the information (1+ / 0-)
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              However many areas lack an FQHC and the resources to form a 501C3 to file the necessary grant paperwork.  Then there is the problem of only a limited number of FQHCs being approved each year.  Reasonable access to mental health services remain a problem in many rural and urban areas  

      •  Some may have a disorder (0+ / 0-)

        I'd wager most are just raging assholes though.

        "I chose to change facts, reality, and the meaning of words, in order to make a much larger point." - Paul Ryan John Oliver

        by SC Lib on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:02 PM PST

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    •  thank you for refocusing the discussion (4+ / 0-)

      since domestic violence does underlie this event.  The question is if Stidham had ever undergone treatment for either violent behavior or for addiction.  I assume he has never been arrested for either since drug arrests and domestic violence are red flags on firearm registration forms.
      I would guess, if this case is investigated in depth by competent journalists, they will find an entire network of enablers making sure that Stidham flies under the radar and continued to fly under the radar.
      Another issue would be the availability of mental health care in his area.  Even if he had wanted help (purely hypothetical here) would he have been able to find it.
      There are so many issues here.....

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