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  •  it's just worse when people are killed by a gun. (2+ / 0-)
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    Thats why we have the uproar against guns.

    We have no notable uproar against alcohol-related deaths. Those people's loved ones are just as gone, but more people accept alcohol intoxication than accept gun ownership, apparently.

    Likewise, deaths from tobacco-caused illnesses: The lingering death keeps loved ones with a family. No sudden death that causes trauma: just a long-suffering illness over years. Far better than losing somebody in a nano-second.

    If people were outraged about the tens of thousands of deaths from alcohol we'd see a bit more done about it. Sure we have the whole DUI thing, but the government runs that primarily as a for-profit endeavor versus as a genuine expression of trying to save lives.

    I'd like to see alcohol and tobacco far more stringently regulated so we could curtail needless death, suffering and burden to the healthcare system.

    But people simply tolerate this.

    A bludegoning spree won't result in an outcry for banning baseball bats any more than 400000 deaths a year prompt anybody to do jack about tobacco diseases.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 10:03:19 AM PST

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    •  Alcohol/tobacco deaths mostly affect people (4+ / 0-)

      who drink and smoke themselves to death. Not innocent bystanders by and large.

      Also- almost every state has banned smoking from all public places. New York charges $4 per pack of cigarettes. There is no advertising for ciagarettes on TV. So it is definitely not true that nothing has been done with tobacco. Whereas with guns that is precisely the case- we've been LOOSENING gun laws in the last 20 years. We are going backwards.

    •  You might have a point if any of those things (3+ / 0-)

      were specifically designed to kill people and other animals, as guns are.

      Otherwise your argument is one giant fallacy.

      •  tobacco is designed to kill. (0+ / 0-)

        Tobacco is designed to make the victim
        addicted to tobacco,
        then,
        gradually,
        dead.

        Well,
        not really;
        tobacco is used,
        primarily,
        to make money for the tobacco companies,
        and anyone else who sells it.

        The death from tobacco is collateral,
        but very clear:
        the tobacco companies are making humans
        addicted,
        then dead,
        for money.

        Not a lot of gray area.

    •  xxdr - I think you are wrong (4+ / 0-)

      you wrote:

      We have no notable uproar against alcohol-related deaths.

      I disagree - there has been an uproar.  Many alcohol related deaths are when a drunk driver kills someone while driving drunk and because of that, in 1980, Mothers against Drunk Drivers was founded and they have been able to get strict drunk driving laws passed.

      You wrote:

      Likewise, deaths from tobacco-caused illnesses:
      I disagree - there has been such public outcry against tobacco that it is hard to find any where you can legally smoke.  Where I live, you can't smoke in any bar, restaurant etc but you can carry a loaded gun in if you want.

      Then you wrote:

      A bludegoning spree won't result in an outcry for banning baseball bats
      um - respectfully, I find that baseball comment -- bizarre.

      Baseball bats are regulated on a baseball field.  From little league to major league, a player is not allowed to swing his/her bat anywhere they please.  Hence the term, batter's box.

      Baseball bats are also regulated in the manufacturing process so as to reduce the number of injuries from a bat that shatters and sends pieces flying.

      In my opinion people who bring up death by baseball bat are merely trying to deflect from the more serious problem:
      Guns are too easy to buy and there needs to be strict regulations put in place so we can REDUCE the number of deaths by guns as close to zero as we can get.

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