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  •  She knew she was doing evil (33+ / 0-)

    The "I'm such an idiot" comment shows that she knew what she was doing was wrong.

    We have child abuse from a woman, which is rare, but sexual abuse tends to focus on the children and is the most hideous of things. No text or religious group excuses that.

    The Mormon fundamentalist sects have a way of convincing themselves that consent isn't necessary, but their church condemns them, and it's with their "spiritual marriage" ritual -- which their church also condemns.

    This is a woman breaking every taboo, violating all innocence, transmitting irreparable harm, and in full knowledge that her actions are wrong. The creepy thing to me is that there was a category of pornography or "swinging" that she could pretend to exploit to get accomplices -- who then asked no questions and had no suspicions for months.

    This tells us that we have a wound in our culture as well as a very, very evil woman.

    People complain about dirt, but I'd like to see them make some.

    by The Geogre on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:00:35 AM PST

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    •  Don't underestimate the power of expectation. (16+ / 0-)

      This is an obvious case, but people tend not to expect anything unusual to happen during the course of their daily activities - notably, they expect that other people will not lie and deceive them to an important extent, unless truly blatant indications to the contrary exist.

      I think this is due to the fact that in the West, we've mostly managed to do quite a good job of making sure that the rule of law is effective, and people rely on it. For example, it beggars belief a company could be allowed to sell harmful goods, and being used by a truly perverted paedophile is even further outside the realm of consideration for most people.

      Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

      by Dauphin on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 09:15:30 AM PST

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    •  According to HHS, mother abuse isn't rare (2+ / 0-)
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      This isn't a competition and shouldn't be framed as such. But since it already has been in comments here, I checked the HHS web page for the Children's Bureau. The perpetrator breakdown on Child Abuse (which includes sexual abuse) is:

      Fathers alone 19%
      Mothers alone 36.8%
      Father and other .9%
      Mother and other 5.7%
      Mother and Father 18.9%

      Sexual abuse accounts for 9.1% of what the Children's Bureau defines as child abuse.

      This doesn't mean women or mothers are worse than men or fathers. Women spend more time with kids, many are doing the job on their own. But abuse by women isn't rare. And men aren't 99.9% of abusers, as stated previously.

      I never liked you and I always will.

      by Ray Blake on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 05:43:01 PM PST

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      •  I had meant sexual abuse, but yes. (3+ / 0-)
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        For overall abuse, women would be adjudicated at least as commonly as men, especially as there are more single mother than single father families. I had meant, though, sexual molestation. It is rarer for a mother/daughter sexual abuse to occur than a father/daughter, and "virtue" isn't involved in any case.

        Anyone who wants to say that this sex or that sex is inherently violent or placid is foolish. Sex isn't gender, and we're not talking about sexes: we're talking about pathologies.

        People complain about dirt, but I'd like to see them make some.

        by The Geogre on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 06:21:07 PM PST

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      •  Thanks for the stats - abuse is more common than (1+ / 0-)
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        a lot of people know.

        Unfortunately, too many people know EXACTLY how common it is & how horrible life is under those circumstances.

        Unfortunately also, the term 'unspeakable' has made revealing the truth impossible until fairly recently, &  then 'incredible' & 'unthinkable' have to be overcome, too.

        For too many people, childhood is something they have to survive before adulthood.

        You can be sure the abuse of the daughter started well before now - it's probably been her whole life. Mom Biron needs to rot somewhere for the rest of her life.

        Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

        by CA wildwoman on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:34:46 AM PST

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