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  •  To take your last point first, (1+ / 0-)
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    it might be that Native Americans were able to manage their ecosystem sustainably because there were so few of them. I can't imagine the populations of Seattle or Portland flourishing from fishing and whaling like the tribes of the Pacific northwest.
    For my part, my people came here in the early 20th Century; southern Slavs, cheap immigrant labor for the mining interests. Alas, we never grew rich at all.
    History has lessons for sure and I do what little I can to limit further depredations by "my" government and the plutocrats who control it. It's just that, although I live in Arizona, I have trouble mustering any authentic guilt for taking land once claimed by Mexico.

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:12:30 AM PST

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    •  sure, numbers may be... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...a lot of the game.  But at least it can be done.  Can we do it at our numbers?  Don't know.  Maybe, even probably not.  But considering how the prairie was managed gives me a similar feeling, when standing in it, to looking at old Roman ruins.  That fire management regime was one hella human accomplishment, a kind of engineering.  We're just stepping into technologies that might work at scale, and they will work very differently.  But as we live on the earth like crazed parasites, I think there's a very present lesson that  sustainable systems can be maintained over something approaching deep time, by people like us.  This is good to know :}

      I don't myself feel guilt about history -- it is what it is, and my ancestors were both doing what they had to do and right bastards, some of them.  But I do feel like white folks definitely get a way better break than indigenous people do, hereabouts.   The worst prejudice I saw as a child against Lummi kids was often from people who didn't have much themselves.  And the Lummi are not random opportunists as portrayed by the right ("why can't they just be Americans like the rest of us"), they are a tribe that works hard to give the next generation better, with an old and continuous sense of place.   Perhaps as a result of all that I'm very much for things which help out the tribes, in addition to generally being against the plutocrats.  

      ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

      by jessical on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:47:55 AM PST

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    •  NOt really. (1+ / 0-)
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      The Native Americans weren't able to manage their eco-systems. The Anasazi turned the southwest into a desert, and the classic Maya destroyed much of Central America and their civilization with it.

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