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  •  I expect the default will be something like that (11+ / 0-)

    We just don't have enough law enforcement people to go house to house collecting illegal firearms. (Someone diaried that a week or two ago, and the amount of time it would take they calculated was something in the range of decades....)

    Another possible carrot for people who bought these guns legally, but don't want to take a buy back offer is to severly limit the way they can be legally used. That is - they can keep them and use them, but only at a range/shooting club facility that A) is properly equipped to handle firing those kinds of weapons, and B) the owners have to sign them in and out of secure storage at the range under someone else's officially sanctioned supervision.

    For collectors who don't want to fire them or let them be bought back, they can keep them - but only if they've first been rendered inoperable, as verified by a gunsmith and to the satisfaction of whomever issues their gun insurance policy. And they can't resell them to anyone.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 11:46:01 AM PST

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    •  Illegalize, create an amnesty period, and assign (8+ / 0-)

      drop off points. And maybe some "buyback" but after a gun ban the "resale price" would fall through the floor.

      Obviously, however, this way would require removing the Second Amendment roadblock first. Short of that, yeah, what you said!

      There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

      by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 12:35:55 PM PST

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      •  Oh, please, (4+ / 0-)
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        a2nite, koNko, lazybum, Buckeye54

        I'm not suggesting that the 2nd Amendment be removed or vitiated.

        Nowhere do I see in any part of the 2A a guarantee that any -and every - particular sort of "arms" be constitutionally protected.

        It isn't because the framers just didn't foresee RPGs or tactical nukes in order to invoke them explicitly. (Neither as far as I can see for sale to the gen. public at my local gun shop, and apparently without raising too much angst on Constitutional grounds, either.)

        It's because common sense tells you that there is no essential contradiction between having robustly- protected rights to have private ownership of some guns while also having decided, as a society, that other sorts of "arms" should NOT be available to any private citizen on demand.

        (And I daresay, though it surprises me to find myself in agreement with him, it may be that Justice Scalia may also think so as well. That implies some daylight between the all-or-nothing approach of some fanatics.)

        Don't get confused between these two positions.
        Perhaps the fierceness of the NRA/gun lobby/ 2A zealots will succeed (again) is muddying the waters around this issue, but somehow, this time feels different to me.

        So we'll see what happens in the long run.

        An important thing to do for everybody who truly cares about larger welfare of the Nation is to keep talking about it now that we've started.


    •  I'd be fine with controlled usage (3+ / 0-)
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      It would just take longer for the emotional attachment to lessen if you can still go shoot 'em.  

      But, whatever, the point is to start and not allow the reasonable, and I believe constitutionally legal, process of extracting the most egregiously destructive types of weapons from general circulation to be halted by the impossibility of getting 100% compliance. Or the by the politically impossible of proposing active searching for the weapons, which simply wouldn't work. (Aside from time and cost, etc.)


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