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  •  All Nazis are fascists, (11+ / 0-)

    but not all fascists are Nazis.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:41:54 PM PDT

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    •  Nazis Provide The Best Self-Defined Standard (4+ / 0-)

      Now we see variations on white supremacy in Europe and America which are Zionists in the unconditional support of of Israel.  The Oslo terrorist said over and over that he is a supporter of Zionism and not a Nazi, but he still wants to kill all the non-Zionist liberal Jews (2/3 by his own estimate) and deport the rest.

      There's not minimum check list that defines Fascism, and any organization (like the Girls Scouts) meets some of the standards and comes up short on others.  The United States for instance lacks Eco's criteria of a Cult Of Heroic Death.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:59:50 PM PDT

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    •  Neofascists Would Say Nazis Are The Only Fascist (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm agreeing with you, and you may want to reread the diary.

      Because people like Anders Breivik would deny being a Nazi and even being a Fascist, because he merely sees himself as a genocidal antisemitic Nordic white supremacist terrorist.

      But of course he is a Fascist and more than a little bit of a Nazi.  I mean, he tells his audience to leave the swastika flags at home when they march, and how deep does someone have to be in the Nazi closet to need to say that?

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:38:43 AM PDT

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      •  Once he's conceded that he's (1+ / 0-)
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        "a genocidal antisemitic Nordic white supremacist terrorist." he's already sort of lost the public relations (hide the swastikas, guys!) game.

        In Breivik's case, if it looks like a duck, etc.

        The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

        by psnyder on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:39:31 AM PDT

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        •  US Right Wingers Struggled To Disown Breivik (2+ / 0-)
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          That was a whole 'nother diary about how many of his terrorist manifesto's themes seem to have been taken from the Fox web site.

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          He's a Birther
          He praises the Tea Party
          Global warming is a hoax
          He wants to abolish Social Security
          He's into Christian "spiritual warfare"
          Hates "secularism"
          Says his movement has many friends in American GOP
          Believes in the Fox News' "War On Christmas"
          Wants to restore "Christian culture"
          Hates "multiculturalism" and "political correctness."
          Condemns "cultural Marxism" (Andrew Breitbart and Pat Buchannan also attack "cultural Marxism")

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:49:09 AM PDT

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          •  Like I said: looks like a duck, etc. (1+ / 0-)
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            The US right has all the hates, but they regard the label as a step too far. They rely on people's going no deeper than the label, so they wish to remain in the closet.

            The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

            by psnyder on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:01:56 AM PDT

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