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  •  I was appalled to see retirement in there (10+ / 0-)

    601 General retirement and disability insurance (excluding social security) (7.0B)
    So, federal retirement benefits like railroad retirement (different then SS)
    Or retirement for GSA workers?

    So,that's two out of 5 groupings wrong

    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      smokey545, Chi

      I don't really know how they were determining categories to include...Seems rather random.
      If you read the Nate post he includes everything in his self named entitlement category as SS, medicare, medicaid, all pension programs, all social aid, and unemployment insurance.
      I just think that's stretching it a whole bunch

      •  I concur. Social security is a trust fund that (3+ / 0-)
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        greengemini, Chi, wishingwell

        Almost everyone pays into not a welfare program. Why in would Nate Silver not been more precise.

        I think he tried to cover too many complex topics in one book. I read Michael Mann's take down of the climate science section of Nate's book and Nate should have just stayed away from climate science.

        “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.” --Gandhi:

        by smokey545 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 07:48:51 PM PST

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      •  SS is an EARNED BENEFIT. (4+ / 0-)
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        Chi, pasadena beggar, wishingwell, Mulkum

        I worked all my life and paid into Social Security.  It's NOT an "entitlement", it's an EARNED BENEFIT that I paid for.

        We need to stop the "serious people" from referring to SS and Medicare as "entitlements".  They are EARNED BENEFITS and we need to keep correcting politicians when the call them "entitlements".

        Every time.


        "Everybody wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to die" --- Albert King

        by HarpboyAK on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 12:03:09 AM PST

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      •  U/I & medicaid, etc. NOT entitlements. (2+ / 0-)
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        equern, pasadena beggar

        'Entitlement' comes from the old AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) program.  If you meant the conditions (e.g., children+income+some others) you got them, regardless of what the lcoal yokels thought about things like your skin color.  

        U/I is not an entitlement: if the $ is not paid in by the state then you don't get it.  Period.  Medicare is a quasi-entitlement bc it requires the state to opt-in and the feds can't punish a state for not doing so, as the ACA SCOTUS decision reminded us.  Even if it opts-in, the state can still pick and choose what parts and screw whoever they want, as Texas Planned Parenthood clients found out.

        Other programs, like food stamps, have their own quirks.

        Social security, medicare and federal retirement programs are pensions, not entitlements.  We used to know the difference.

        What has happened is the Right has successful redefined 'entitlement' as welfare, at least among the gullible fools who call themselves our media and other 'VerySeriousPeople', and then expanded the definition so it covers as much socially helpful spending as possible.  

        All in hopes of punishing FDR (still!), abolishing the New Deal (always!) and ushering their fascist NewAristocracy utopia (for them, dystopia for the rest).  Many of these folks wuold have been right at home in Mussolini's Italy and all for the 'Smedly Butler' coup conspiracy.

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