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  •  Nate should stay away from weather & climate (31+ / 0-)

    He doesn't have a clue. The reviews from climate experts were consistent: Nate bombed.

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

    by FishOutofWater on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:36:06 PM PST

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    •  Nate got eviscerated by the climate folks (17+ / 0-)

      and the quotes for balance is a marketing professor.  Nuf said.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 09:49:43 PM PST

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      •  Oddly, Nate uses definitions (6+ / 0-)

        for these "welfare" buckets that have been current in Far Right propaganda since the 1960s.

        Pays to be a Bircher ???

        Or maybe he reads the Wall Street Journal. What Americans got on smelly mimeograph blue-sheets in the 60s and 70s, you get as core content in today's WSJ editorial pages.

        Reading the Wall Street Journal has fxcked up smarter minds than Nate Silver's.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012 "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army/McCarthy 1954

        by bontemps2012 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:23:24 AM PST

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    •  By that logic, bobswern should stay away from (2+ / 0-)
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      economics, as he has made a number of predictions about the imminent collapse of our economy for the past several years.

      And it hasn't happened.

      •  You're right! (9+ / 0-)

        The economy was absolutely booming from 2009-11!

        •  Bob was right about the horrid recession (10+ / 0-)

          He tends to dramatize the situation and he has a dark streak of pessimism but that can be accounted for.

          The trouble with Nate on climate is that he misapplies concepts and statistics he knows from economics to the field of climate. He doesn't realize that he is trying to reinvent the wheel. Jim Hansen, for example, started with a PhD in physics and has applied it to climate for his whole career. Climate science has a solid foundation in physics, statistics and earth sciences that Nate hasn't studied.

          Nate isn't the only economist who has been foolish about climate. Unfortunately, most of the leaders in his profession have grossly undervalued "environmental services" and badly overestimated the costs of protecting the environment.

          look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

          by FishOutofWater on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:03:06 AM PST

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      •  Actually ... (0+ / 0-)

        I disagree that Nate needs to keep away from climate issues -- but he did a disservice in that book chapter and should have done his homework better than he did along with writing this in a different way.

        Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

        by A Siegel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:54:23 AM PST

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      •  I think you should support your comment... (3+ / 0-)
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        ....with facts. And, if you do that, please differentiate between my commentary regarding the commentary of others, far more knowledgeable than I'll ever be, and my own sentiments.

        Almost 100% of the criticism of my posts within this community--not all but almost all--have been related to detractors deliberately conflating the commentary of others, such as Stiglitz, Krugman and the Naked Capitalism blog, with that of my own.

        Another would be the recession, in general. Stiglitz is cited 124 of my posts; Krugman in 165 of them; and, Naked Capitalism in 233 posts. (Here's a good example of what the Columbia Journalism Review has said about Yves Smith's reporting: "Biggest Scandal In US History." CJR: "Blogs Beat The Press." From day one she's been consistently recognized as being out in front of the MSM on reality-based reporting about this.)

        Perhaps--taking a reality-based approach to this--what's one of the more interesting things about my work, in general, is the abuse that the thoughts of folks like Stiglitz, Krugman and Smith have received in both the comments in my posts, and within the writings of others within this community.

        All three, Stiglitz, Krugman and Smith, have made many, decidedly-"dramatic" comments about our country's economic policies. I've reported on that, a lot.

        A very good example of this often-deliberate conflation would be my reports about the ongoing insolvency of our nation's too-big-to-fail banks, with the bulk of that commentary/focus being on Citi and BofA. And, here are a couple of reports from just the past few days on that: from the Fiscal Times, and Reuters.

        All three have focused, (quite extensively) at various times, on the potential for a double-dip recession, as well.

        So, please, tell me -- citing specifics -- how far-off, generally speaking, the commentary of Stiglitz, Krugman, and Smith has been. Because, most of the time, you'll see, upon further review, that my own posts frequently related to their thoughts (not my own). (In fact, there's another economy-focused blog that has spent a great deal of time grossly distorting this greater truth about my own work, as well. And, in fact, that "other blog," in the past, has been very closely associated with Nate Silver, too! Funny how that works! Yes, the corporatocratic memes run deeper in the blogosphere than those of the progressive left. But, we're all entitled to our own opinions. We're NOT entitled to our own facts.)

        Otherwise, all you have here are ad homs and related statements that are NOT supported by facts, in general, that far too many in this community readily "accept" as facts. Then again, there are far too many in this community that have gone out of their way to "trumpet" grossly-distorted memes regarding the realities of our economy over the past five years, too.

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:57:21 AM PST

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    •  He relied on (5+ / 0-)

      in essence, a single source and ran with that.

      His tone was wrong -- embracing style of skeptic discussion that, even as he claims to understand that global warming is real, feeds the concept of doubt.

      Etc ...

      The ecstatic embrace of Nate Silver troubled me because of that chapter. This diary points to reasons in other domains for being troubled.

      He is a very bright, very capable statistical analyst who is not perfect (who is ...) and the hagiography related to election predictions / analysis makes too many failed to incorporate that.

      Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

      by A Siegel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:53:12 AM PST

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      •  I don't know if it applies in Nate's case (0+ / 0-)

        But it's simply stunning how strongly people who make it into the political or media establishment feel the need to say things that their new peers want to hear, and not what's actually supported by the facts. Perhaps Nate just wanted to fit it, or succumbed to the pressure to conform to the narrative?

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:50:25 AM PST

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