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  •  Kudos to Paul Krugman (1+ / 0-)
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    For admitting he was wrong about the White House's lack of spine and negotiating skills on this.

    •  Agree with Krugman (1+ / 0-)
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      but its also left unsaid that criticizing Obama in advance for caving to the GOP is the most effective way of getting him to stand up to them.  It works.  It's Obama's choice, he's always telling us to "make him do it".  So we do.

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 10:08:51 AM PST

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      •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

        The people in the circle jerk whining about his "caving" are NOT the ones having an impact. The ones having an impact are on the ones sending the emails and making the calls, the ones who have NOT decided based on flimsy evidence that the President has already made a hard decision to "cave" so they just come here and post diaries whining about it.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 10:21:25 AM PST

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        •  Wrong assumption (0+ / 0-)
          The ones having an impact are on the ones sending the emails and making the calls,
          Those of us who don't want cuts to SS & Medicare, who do want good government make those phone calls and send those emails too.  

          The difference is that we send them to both R's and D's, we hold both sides accountable.

          Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

          by Betty Pinson on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 10:52:30 AM PST

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        •  I think you have it backwards (0+ / 0-)

          Obama is finally getting somewhere because he is doing what the progressives have been pressuring him to do all along. We've always said not to deal with the Republicans when they pull this kind of crap.
          Over and over he's caved and now he's finally, so far at least, following a progressive game plan and Viola! - results.
          No thanks to those who "trusted" him to do the sensible thing.
          It's precisely those that have "trusted" Obama who are responsible for all the caves. And, in large part, those caves were responsible for the dismal showing in 2010.
          We need to keep the pressure up on Obama to stand strong and reject this deal.
          This is not complete surrender.
          This is not game over.
          This is a tactical retreat and they will attack again.

      •  Criticizing Obama in advance (1+ / 0-)
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        is a great way to make progressives look bad, dampen enthusiasm prior to elections (see 2010), split the party, etc etc.

        As you can see, the people who were convinced Obama is a secret Republican that wants to destroy the Democratic party have already convinced themselves that this is all part of a larger Obama plan to destroy SS because that's what he wants.

        When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

        by PhillyJeff on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 10:24:03 AM PST

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      •  That's not even a little bit plausible (0+ / 0-)

        The President has just been re-elected. He is not going to change what he plans to do simply because of some noise from the left.

        He said he wasn't negotiating on the debt ceiling and he isn't going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this time because he has public opinion strongly with him now. That's why.

        •  he's not a dictator (0+ / 0-)

          as the Obama supporters point out when he's lost on an issue. And he's a lame duck.

          The House and Senate Democrats, however, are not lame ducks. It's their jobs on the line in 2014 if they cut SS.

        •  Public opinion doesn't favor SS & Medicare cuts (0+ / 0-)

          regardless of which party is behind them.  

          Fortunately, Obama won the election, but it didn't give him a mandate to promote cuts to vital safety net programs.   Be prepared to hear voters protest loudly every time that issue comes up.  

          If he stays with chained CPI, Dems will pay a dear price in 2014, no matter how many of us go out to campaign, donate, make calls, etc.

          Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

          by Betty Pinson on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 10:57:02 AM PST

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      •  I agree with this (1+ / 0-)
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        kat68

        I didn't agree with the sentiments expressed by Obama's critics on the deal, including Krugman, that he was likely to fold in the second round. But I always felt that those critics served a purpose (I'm sure some knowingly, some not) giving Obama and the Dems additional leverage.

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