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  •  I'm glad that I've given this subject more thought (2+ / 0-)
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    than you have. This thought about "making it worthwhile for folks to turn guns in" sounds great in theory. On the other hand, it is really a disguised road map to gun manufaturer nirvana. To be effective, it is commonly suggested that the buyback price be significant. And if it were, I, personally, would simply make my living by buying guns low and selling them high to the government. I guarantee you that whatever "demand" could be generated for this could very easily and happily be met by expanding the gun factories.

    More importantly, I would never recommend that we try to take the gun lobby head on over the Second. My belief is that the only way to get rid of it is to do it inconjunction with a full on rethink and rewite of the Constitution. Divide and conquer. The right has captured tons of turf, and is marginally able to defend it in a piece meal manner. Throw everything up for grabs all at once, and our numbers can finally do righteous battle against their dollars. And the 1% have far bigger fish to fry than trying to maintain their relatively modest dividend stream from Remington, Winchester and the boys.

    Uh, like fighting for the continuation of their very existence at the top of the pyramid.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:14:27 PM PST

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    •  Do you know what it would take to amend (1+ / 0-)
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      the Constitution?   2/3rds of both Houses of Congress and 2/3rds of a majority of state legislatures OR a Constitution Convention that has never been called in our 200-plus year history.

      I will admit that I am not an expert in gun policy and I came that reform was necessary in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, but I also know that A.) we still only have an opportunity to seriously address gun reform for the first time since 1994 and Obama's recommendations are the broadest-reaching since 1968.   Overreaching by that much cedes popular opinion to the gun-rights absolutists.   On the other hand, Obama's approach is making that side look ridiculous and we could end the NRA's influence in Washington if we play this right.   B.)  Grandstanding will not save any lives.   Universal background checks and the other Obama reforms will.  C.) Not even Masssachusetts would vote for repeal of the 2nd.   So I would be shocked if you got even 1 state to go along with you.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:33:27 PM PST

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      •  Our current Constitution is broadly dysfunctional (1+ / 0-)
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        and recognition of this fact is growing exponentially. When everything finally is on the table, it'll be similar to a game of musical chairs, and my considered opinion is that RKBA will prove to be in the "odd man out" category.

        Aside from a small handfull of demonstrable zealots (read NRA types) for whom would this end up being their Number One issue in the ensuing discussion?

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 05:52:32 PM PST

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      •  The balanced budget people came close (0+ / 0-)

        They were within a hair of getting enough states on board to call a Constitutional Convention.

        A major rethink has a lot to recommend it, but it's terrifyingly easy to make things worse.

      •  pistol - just a nit (2+ / 0-)
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        2/3rds of the House and Senate, 3/4 (38) states required.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:06:23 PM PST

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        •  Under the old Constitution. The new rules will be (0+ / 0-)

          made by the new Convention. Aside from assuring sufficient popular support, their hands will be tied in no respect, and one of the archaic concepts that I would expect to be disavowed is "State Soverignity". Too many people are disenfranchised by that one for it to survive.

          There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

          by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 09:03:08 AM PST

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