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  •  That is the Declaration of Independence (3+ / 0-)
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    Laurence Lewis, fumie, S F Hippie

    correct?  This document was addressed to King George, explaining why we were revolting - in other words, declaring our independence.

    If your government has gotten to the point where a revolution becomes justified, then what the fuck does it matter what the constitution says??

    I can guarantee you that the framers did not write all this business about three branches of government and checks and balances, all so that one day a group of nutjobs in Idaho can unilaterally decide they don't like the government anymore and start shooting people.

    And, I would like someone to explain to me how one or fifty or five hundred people with guns can change the most powerful government in the world without starting a revolution.

    Oh yeah, that's right - that already happened.  It was called the Civil War, and a lot of people died.  They had a lot of guns, and they still lost.

    Good luck.

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Sat Jan 19, 2013 at 11:05:04 PM PST

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    •  It matters what the Constitution says ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... because it's hard to carry off a revolution without weapons.  From The Federalist Papers, #29 (Hamilton):

      By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defence of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the Government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the People, while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights, and those of their fellow-citizens.
      •  This is ridiculous (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, I agree - the founders did not want us to have a standing army.  They recognized the danger of the military industrial complex even back then.

        He is saying that the government should never have a standing army that has more firepower than the citizens themselves.  Okay, great.  I agree with that.  But it didn't quite happen that way now, did it?

        So to take Hamilton at his word, then we need to transfer our national arsenal to the people, and if we decide to continue to maintain armed forces then they get guns.  We get the tanks, bombs, rocket launchers, fighter jets, aircraft carriers and submarines.

        Deal.

        "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

        by La Gitane on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 10:39:09 AM PST

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