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  •  But, expat, you left out one important point. (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, the AFL was mostly made up of craft unions, but within the AFL was also the might United Mine Workers, which was an industrial union, a very large industrial union. At times the UMW had as many as 500,000 members (I'm talking about pre-1920) and made up more than 1/3 of the total union members of the AFL  about 1.5 mil, altho numbers did fluctuate widely from 1890-1920.

    It is no accident that the mighty UMW built the CIO in the 30s, and lead the way organizing steel and auto. And even during the 20s the UMW was knocked down but was never knocked out.

    To say there was no real working class prior to the 30s simply isn't true. The labor struggles from 1900-1912 forced the Senate Commission on Industrial Relations which led to many of the reforms of Progressive Era.

    The Trade Unionist who got their training during those terrible struggles built the CIO.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

    by JayRaye on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:21:28 PM PST

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    •  I did not forget, it was in the link (1+ / 0-)
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      on the AFL which described the formation of the UMW and the CIO which was founded by the leader of the UMW; both were organising before the great depression, the model T came before the great depression. Shall we forget the uprising of the 20,000 and the formation of the trade union league, ACTWU, ILGWU ... unions and the left were incredibly active. longshoremen, etc ... the IWW and the Lawrence Strike, our history is during this period. There were unions in the 19th century, the knights of labour and the AFL both existed then. There was a developed working class, not small workers. I cannot agree with you more. I am thinking that maybe another history lesson is needed and so glad that you are putting up the piece next sunday ... I actually blinked! If mass production existed (and it did) there was a working class just like there was in the UK at the time.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:35:08 PM PST

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      •  I am heart and soul with the great (1+ / 0-)
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        United Mine Workers of America. I love them above all other unions.

        Thanks for giving them this extra plug.

        We owe them so much.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Jan: USW Local Mourns Fallen Brother

        by JayRaye on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:46:24 PM PST

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        •  I love them also ... I have to (1+ / 0-)
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          admit that Matewan is one of my favourite movies. It amazes me that I have soft-spots for some unions over others; without the UMW I do not know where we would be today!

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:54:37 PM PST

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