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  •  By my calculation, the 4 million would represent (1+ / 0-)
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    one new item for 10% of current owners. That would just be my back of the envelope numbers. But I can tell you that in the hundreds of quotes I've seen in these situations, I have yet to see one saying "I just had to get my first gun", and all the rest were "better get some more now, while we still can".

    People scared into buying their first gun are not usually scared into it by some nebulous mass murder situation totally outside of the realm of their daily life.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:28:35 PM PST

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    •  There was a diary (1+ / 0-)
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      here on DailyKos last week where the diarist was discussing why she purchased her first gun.

      Only 65% of gun owners own multiples as of 2010 - the most current data available.

      •  At 45 million owners, then, 15 million would (0+ / 0-)

        have one each and the other thirty million the remainder of the 300 million total that is often quoted. Given how many own at least 10, and commonly upwards of thirty, that would all seem to balance.

        Just not very large numbers of gun owners, which would also seem to match the observed pattern.

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:42:51 PM PST

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        •  The census (0+ / 0-)

          says 52 million owners, owning 260 million guns.

          AHA - 45% of American households.

          http://wiki.answers.com/...

          Only about a third are handguns.

          •  That means (0+ / 0-)

            two thirds are long guns. A third to a half would fall under semi-automatic rifles.

          •  I guessed 45 and missed your number by 7. About (0+ / 0-)

            120,000,000 votes were cast for President this time, a number that is said to have been a modest percentage of all eligible voters, so we're still at not a real large number of gun owners.

            There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

            by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:24:04 PM PST

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            •  52 million as of 2010 (0+ / 0-)

              as of 2010, with gun sales climbing incrementally since, and then skyrocketing the last two months.

              You have to be older to buy a gun than vote, so a third to a half of the voting age population?

              That's a significant number.

              •  Well under a half of registered voters. And any (0+ / 0-)

                of those folks who are single issue voters are already voting pure right wing.

                There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

                by oldpotsmuggler on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:27:07 AM PST

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                •  About a third (0+ / 0-)

                  of the registered voters. About 45% of households have a gun.

                  There are those who support the 2nd Amendment who do not own guns, ya know.

                  119 million votes were cast in 2012. That brings it closer to 44%.

                  We had President Obama in that election as well. We won't ever have him in an election again. Gonna miss his coattails here in Florida

                  •  About a third of registered voters, so no more (0+ / 0-)

                    than 20% of those who voted. And of that number, what, 80 % went right? And what never gets mentioned is that plenty of households that have guns in them don't really care either way.

                    Show me a left wing polling professional who says these voters are critical. (And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on your numbers.)

                    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

                    by oldpotsmuggler on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 03:24:51 PM PST

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                    •  You know you can't (0+ / 0-)

                      extrapolate that. The demo that turns out at the polls is dependent upon the issues of the day.

                      Let's low ball it and say that 15% of the voters care enough about guns to allow it to influence a vote.

                      15% is a huge margin on election day. Certainly a comfortable win.

                      Harry Reid knows that.

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