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  •  I am NOT in favor of an outright ban (4+ / 0-)

    Such a policy would be stupid.  As I've said, I grew up in a rural community and if you've ever lived on a farm you know that a gun is a tool; it can at times be a very powerful, important tool.

    Outside of hunting, if you've ever been forced to put down an animal, fend off stray animals from yours, or deal with whatever.

    It goes beyond hunting and self defense, though both of those are valid uses.

    At the same time,  I think the pro-gun wing needs to realize that there just isn't a situation where big magazines and certain weapons are required, because they aren't.

    The ban the gun crowd speaks from the heart and all I can do is shrug because that is the philosophy that prevents us from making any real headway toward actual controls.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:49:03 PM PST

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    •  I think most people who hunt for protein not sport (3+ / 0-)
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      need the protein.

      It should be possible to micro tag ammunition, so how the ammunition was obtained can be tracked, and sellers held responsible if laws were broken. Likely would be less burdonsome for rural people where guns are necessary tools.  

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      by stargaze on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:54:31 PM PST

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    •  as long as you're in a militia (1+ / 0-)
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      as the 2nd amendment and subsequent laws at that time require, you should be good.

      Stop Prohibition, Start Harm Reduction

      by gnostradamus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 03:11:00 PM PST

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      •  I do not understand... (1+ / 0-)
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        if we can ban fully automatic weapons, then precedent is set that we have the authority to ban certain types of weapons.  If we can require a permit to carry a concealed weapon then precedent is set that we can require a license for weapons.  If we can regulate them as is obvious be the aforementioned policies, why can't we require an insurance policy on weapons like we do automobiles.

        Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines (clips or whatever you want to call them) and make people have a license to be a gun owner.  Require liability insurance on the weapon to ensure if you do not keep your weapon safely stored that you will have the means to be responsible is it is used to commit a crime or an atrocity.  

        This would have a benefit to gun owners as well.  Having a license would render the gun show scenerio moot because a license would be a pre-qualifier.  Show your license, write down the number and the sale would be made without a waiting period and your insurance would be automatically notified, free of charge.

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        by Buckeye Nut Schell on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:15:04 PM PST

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    •  Actually no (2+ / 0-)
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      There is a tiny minority who live on farms or ranches and this group is always trotted out to justify a policy that kills tens of thousands of Americans each year.  Those favoring a ban or very tight restrictions are grounded in actual data and science showing the costs of such policies clearly.  

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 04:00:36 PM PST

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