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  •  I used to be in 2 (3+ / 0-)
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    but after seeing the NRA response, and the JC Penney's thing, and too many other instances of pure lunacy to mention, I'm now in 1.

    Repeal the Second Amendment. Take their guns away. Nothing else will work.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:25:25 PM PST

    •  The NRA response has been rather tone-def (3+ / 0-)
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      I would think that the public reaction and how the pundits have been treated them has strengthened Obama's case for why action is necessary.   The NRA is unintentionally making themselves the best advocates for gun control.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:31:15 PM PST

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    •  I'm still an 'amender'. (4+ / 0-)
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      pistolSO, se portland, a2nite, kmoore61

      Amend it to make it even more explicitly plain that there is no 'individual right', and that it does, indeed, as it says, refer to guns being used by a 'well regulated militia'.  Set up militia armouries, let anyone who wants to have a gun join a militia and be required to attend regular exercises, just like the national guard folks.  (or gee, just make them join the national guard, who already have armouries and regular exercises.

      Maybe, maybe allow a single handgun to be kept inside a domicile for 'personal protection',  but don't let it leave that domicile.  Have it delivered by bonded courier, and moved by same if the owner moves., and require a gun safe be used at any time the owner doesn't actually want to carry it inside the home.  No public carry at all.

    •  Used to be 2, now 1 but don't expect ridding (1+ / 0-)
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      USA of guns, realistically. Guns like money are more important than people. This is why this "country" was created, because people wanted to own people & needed guns to do so. To repeal the second amendment is a start. I actually don't expect repeal just like I don't expect to eliminate guns nor gun violence. "We" like killing way too much.

      2nd amendment = tool of oppression.

      Tipped & rec'ed

    •  "the jc penney's thing" is pretty normal (1+ / 0-)
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      for states that allow open carry, such as my state. By pretty normal, I mean that you rarely see an individual go into an store/business/whatever with an rifle.....but, pistols/revolvers are an entirely different story. That is something that isn't scary/alarming/offensive to hardly anyone in my neck of the woods.

      Running around with your hair on fire saying "take their guns away" is an very good way to get many people, including many usually reliable democratic voters in states that do have liberal gun laws or "gasp" even open carry, heaven forbid, is an very good way to lose many votes in '14...YMMV

      •  Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

        It's not uncommon at all to see people with weapons. That dude at JCP was just being a lout to call attention to himself.

        "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

        by high uintas on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:46:23 PM PST

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    •  Then you put other people in danger (0+ / 0-)

      You are just shifting the danger to another group of people.

      In this country we have susistance hunters living in remote villages in Alaska who depend on their guns for food. Their incomes average $8000 a year. They are subject to our laws as well.

      I live on a arm of 80 acres with three sides boardered by National forest and park. I get cougars they come down out of the mountains on occasion looking for food. So when one comes stalking my cow or heaven forbid my grand child I am to what? Get a stick and whack it in the head and get mauled to death?

      I am sorry the toughtlessness of group1 always irritates me it is like we who actually have a purpose for our guns are disposable.

      I am in group two but the more I hear of group 1 the more I am thinking I like group three.

      It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

      by PSWaterspirit on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:11:52 PM PST

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      •  I'm in group 1 (1+ / 0-)
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        a2nite

        And I'm not thoughtless.

        I simply think that the number of deaths due to firearms (all, not just the massacres of children) outweigh any positive benefit to society.

        And I'm not unreasonable. Strict licensing for people such as yourself, including mandatory training, strict restrictions on the types of fire arms allowed and strict limits on the amount of ammunition allowed to be purchased and kept, and mandatory reporting of lost or stolen arms with liability otherwise attached could be a workable system.

        And I'm genuinely curious: what sort of guns and how much ammo do you feel is necessary for hunters or farmers?

        IOW, are you willing to be considerate of the rights of the general public to live in reasonable safety accepting some limits?

        Or is it "thoughtless" to suggest any restrictions?

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 04:13:33 AM PST

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