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  •  Let Me See If I Can Explain (2+ / 0-)
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    why I tend to come out on the RKBA side of things.

    I am like you, not a gun owner. I've fired a small gauge shotgun twice.

    The reason I don't have more experience with guns is that everybody I know has them and they would require me to spend hours if not days learning how to use them safely. I got no desire to do that. This of course is a good thing.

    Now I work so I can hike/camp. Ride my mountain bike. Play video games. Post here.

    Almost all the folks I know work so they can go hunting and fishing.

    Not my cup of tea but something they care about a lot. And that usually involves guns.

    Now I know nobody is talking about taking away their shotgun so they can't hunt ducks. Or their rifle to drop a deer. But they are fearful of that.

    Kind of like how I am fearful of the talk about video games.

    I know that connection might not make sense to some here, but it does to me. If a few psychos like Call of Duty will you not let me buy a first person shooter?

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 01:55:48 PM PST

    •  I'm a heavy gamer, and I would happily give up FPS (3+ / 0-)
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      gaming if it meant getting rid of pistols on the streets as well.  And I'd be fine with rating movies for violence, such that movies like Django or the new Arnold movie had an 'NC-17' rating for the blood and gore.

      Pluto lists the rules in several countries, and I'd be fine with any of them really.  Canada's would certainly leave the hunter's their weapons, and target shooters the ability to shoot at approved ranges.

    •  The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy (1+ / 0-)
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      I have heard the slippery slope argument so many times, and we need education to rid people of that because the slippery slope argument has been the bane of many good and sensible laws.

      My video game tastes tend towards JRPGs or MMORPGs.   I don't usually play First Person Shooters, but I used to love playing Contra on the original NES.  The Konami Code was quite useful there and I know that there a lot of bullet porn games and movies.

      And sometimes when directors try to make a point on how futile firing a gun can be sometimes like a certain scene in Predator, they somehow have an opposite effect and the pro-gun crowd counts it one of their favorite scenes.

      Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

      by pistolSO on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:15:24 PM PST

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      •  I Might Not Have Done It Well (2+ / 0-)
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        but I was trying to use the video game example, something I enjoy, as an example for how I KNOW gun owners feel. Personally I can't stand FPS games. I am more of a puzzle kind of guy.

        But when I hear folks talk about video games as this "catch all" it pisses me off. I do have a few FPS games and shot a lot of folks in the head.

        I never for a spilt second felt I'd go get a "real" gun and go do that tomorrow.

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:25:03 PM PST

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        •  I also get rather angry when people (2+ / 0-)
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          pursue the video games "shiny object" rather than focus their efforts on the main problem: guns.

          I also worry about the unintended consequences of any new laws dealing with video games since I belong to a subculture that loves Japanese animation(and video games including visual novels) and those laws might affect imports of VNs and work against independent game developers.

          Washington and Colorado said that you've got to legalize it. Hope the DOJ respects that.

          by pistolSO on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:34:54 PM PST

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          •  I Totally Understand (1+ / 0-)
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            I just feel you are an adult. I am an adult.

            I actually hate guns. I have no clue why you would want to own one. Maybe I should have said that here sooner.

            But I don't what you (not you exactly of course) telling me I can't buy this video game, watch this show, or do something else you don't enjoy (or understand).

            When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

            by webranding on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 02:44:16 PM PST

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          •  Yet, here you are making a slippery slope (0+ / 0-)

            argument. I'm not digging at you, I think your concerns are as valid as any. The slippery slope is the argument of unintended consequences.

            Please people...Do no get pissed at me when I make this comparison...It's about the laws not what the laws are about;

            The whole mess that has become the undoing of abortion rights started with a little erosion here, a small tweak there, and slowly but surely it became easier and easier to pass restrictive laws. This is why people do make the case of slippery slope and it's worth thinking about with each step we take.

            "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

            by high uintas on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:05:25 PM PST

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          •  I guess the counter-arguement (2+ / 0-)
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            Is it's OK for kids to play with violent games but not listen to music full of profanity and verbal violence.

            The other bit is the disingenuous attack against films and games by the NRA, which might seem hypocritical on the face of it; but I think they know exactly what they are doing to drive wedges in the First Amendment.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 04:49:03 AM PST

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      •  It is only a falicy (0+ / 0-)

        if you have never been on the recieving end of a government policy that did something like totally destroy a local economy with no hope it would ever get better. After that everytime the government  says trust us everybody runs for cover.

        This is what has happened in alot of rural areas, they trusted the government and got burned badly unfortunately it has usually been by democrats.

        Their expectation is to be treated as if their lives don't matter.

        It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

        by PSWaterspirit on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:29:35 PM PST

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    •  Survivors have another take. (0+ / 0-)

      Might be interesting to listen to what they have to say rights and safety.

      Guns are frequently used to deprive people of the most basic human rights.

      Charlie don't surf.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 04:51:40 AM PST

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