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  •  We're not a Democracy, We're a Republic (10+ / 0-)

    "We're not a democracy, We're a republic," has to be one of the most infuriating and annoying things they say. It's like I want to tell them,  just shut your libertarian mouth and learn to read. But I don't because I try to restrain myself to civil discourse.

    It's like they have all this "false knowledge" and the "know things" that aren't true. And you try to explain to them that if Ron Paul were elected the entire economy would collapse.

    They are simultaneously ignorant AND indoctrinated and they don't even know they their the latter and not the former.

    I can't remember what it was but there was something EXTREMELY basic, I mean like you learn it in fifth grade basic (related to three branches of government or something?) anyway I can't remember.

    I assumed that he knew THAT, and he didn't. And we went through this big argument over something (I really wish I could remember what it was.)

    Anyway, he eventually told me that I was naive.

    Sometimes there's just not a hard enough wall to bang your head on after dealing with those clowns.

    •  The worst is... (8+ / 0-)

      their smug sense of superiority in just how they "know" those things, isn't it?

      I've tried explaining I can show their basic economic belief can actually be disproven just by using the Prisoner's Dilemma.  (Short version: both people will try to do what's best for them individually, which will lead to a worse outcome for both.  But by thinking rationally and working together, then, and only then, can they arrive at the truly optimal solution.)

      That only makes them madder, as they also seem to have very little understanding of mathematics and logic.

    •  I had that one thrown at me here (2+ / 0-)
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      BruinKid, a2nite

      not too long ago.

      I was told to take a basic civics course. The fact that the two terms have been used interchangeably was irrelevant to the individual.

      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:26:17 PM PST

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    •  Democracy vs Republic - where they're coming (3+ / 0-)
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      from.  A few years ago I was invited to go on an all day hike with work colleagues.  I knew they were on the conservative side but not the extent and I wanted to do the hike.

      It was a long day.  I found out they were full on, hardcore Ron Paul libertarians.  I had also given them my personal email so I ended up on group lists for the viral stuff they send to each other.  They didn't have the courtesy to use the BCC line so my email address went viral in the bargain.  I was getting messages from people who didn't even know me.  Considering the content it was funny and horrifying and disgusting all at the same time.

      For public consumption Libertarians pretend to be interested in maximizing rights and freedoms.  'Just for them' is the part they leave out.  They lean heavily to the rights of the property owner.  In fact, Ron Paul spoke in the House against the Civil Rights Act of '64 and he said it infringed on the rights of the property owner.  They believe only property owners should have the right to vote. They're getting a little ahead of themselves when they say the US isn't a democracy. They wish.

      This is a personal observation: whenever I pointed out the gaps in their logic, their contradictions and erroneous assumptions they can get vicious and nasty on a scale I've never encountered with any other people.

      "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

      by leftreborn on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 04:58:55 AM PST

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      •  There is something about libertarians (0+ / 0-)

        that I have always found off-putting.

        whenever I pointed out the gaps in their logic, their contradictions and erroneous assumptions they can get vicious and nasty on a scale I've never encountered with any other people.
        My impression is not so much of viciousness or nastiness, but of adolescent, weeping martyrdom. Their self-admiration is so intense and their self-regard so exaggerated, and they see anything and everything that occurs outside of themselves as completely arbitrary and illegitimate, that they can only see themselves as heroic martyrs. To me, they seem to weep for themselves constantly; they weep for their lost "freedoms" and their arbitrarily-deprived "rights," they weep for their unbearable plight at being "forced," "at gunpoint," to live under the brutally oppressive tyranny of American law.  

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