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  •  You argue that Nazis relaxed gun laws (0+ / 0-)

    to a certain extent - they still had gun permits, etc. in 1938.

    But they didn't allow any Jews to have guns. That's REAL gun control.

    And they killed 6 million Jews by herding them with guns.

    They killed Jews, who had no guns to defend themselves.

    And if the Jews could have defended themselves with guns, do you think 6 million would have been killed?

    Gun control led to murder of millions of citizens in Germany, so your conclusion is that gun control is always good. What am I missing?

    •  I said that too. (1+ / 0-)
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      Gun control didn't lead to the murder of Jews. Hatred, monopolization of speech and a host of other things did. Do you really believe that if the German Jews had guns there wouldn't have been World War II?

      You're completely disingenuous representation of both the actual history AND my position demonstrates that any discussion here is pointless.

      Honest discussion can only happen between honest people.

    •  It wasn't just guns that the Nazis' (1+ / 0-)
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      didn't allow the Jews to have.  The Nazis' also took their bikes and cars and property.  The Jews were not allowed to teach at the University or attend school.  They "herded," the Jewish people by passing laws that isolated them.  The Nazis destroyed their shops, synagogues and arrested them by the thousands.  The Jews were isolated by hate, hate speech, and herded by a powerful military with machine guns.  There were partisan groups that had weapons and fought back, but it took the military of other countries to bring down the Nazis'.

      I lost family in the Holocaust.  It didn't happen just because of gun control, it happen because of hate filled rhetoric and actions directly against not only the Jews, but socialists, gays, Gypsies.  Gun control doesn't always mean geocide there are other elements that creates a geocide.

      "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

      by zaka1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:19:25 AM PST

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      •  Jews Were Noncitizens At That Point (1+ / 0-)
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        Enabling Act 1933 purges trade unions
        Night Of The Long Knives 1934 Purged Nazi socialists
        Nuremberg Laws 1936 Banned employment and intermarriage of Jews

        Germany was years deep into domestic terror by 1938.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:22:56 AM PST

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    •  Not terribly effective Gun Control, actually... (0+ / 0-)

      The Jews that decided to fight back (i.e. the Ghetto uprisings, the Jewish partisans, etc.) did manage to acquire weapons.  Granted not of the caliber possessed by their oppressors.  But even in a open market for guns, that would still have been the case.

      The real problem was that fighting back meant you would get slaughtered, so most only did fight when it became absolutely clear that they would be slaughtered regardless.  Those that resisted from the beginning did so for political reasons (i.e. they were aligned with the Communists).  And as a well organized resistance movement, they had little trouble finding guns.

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