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  •  A lot of it (1+ / 0-)
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    snowwoman

    is that whole "Get you man-card reissued" macho bullshit.

    The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 06:58:02 PM PST

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    •  I think it's even deeper (5+ / 0-)

      It's about social and cultural identity. They appear to identify their guns with their ancestors, beliefs, values and way of life. Take them away and it's like killing a huge part of them. It has a very Scots-Irish neo-confederate tribalistic feel to it to me. I feel like I've intruded on a backwoods moonshine still with a big ATF tattoo on my forehead and a warrant to take it down.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:07:13 PM PST

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      •  This is a good analysis. (2+ / 0-)
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        Thestral, kovie

        It does feel tribal.

        I feel like I've intruded on a backwoods moonshine still with a big ATF tattoo on my forehead and a warrant to take it down.
        So what we're trying to take away from them--then---they feel--is an actual part of their "identity."

        Makes total sense: regardless of appeals to logic---the law---citizenship----you name it...................

        They hang right on to their guns.

        They literally identify with them.

        The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

        by lyvwyr101 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:06:37 AM PST

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        •  They're not the only Americans (1+ / 0-)
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          to view, feel and react this way towards something they clearly care deeply about. Purely in terms of such--and only in terms of such--they're no different from many abortion, gay rights and labor advocates (or, sadly, from many anti-abortion, gay rights and labor advocates). It's truly a "from my cold dead hands!" issue for them. They WOULD literally die on this particular hill, if it came down to it (which I hope and believe it won't come down to).

          We're not going to turn most of them, and it's a waste of time to try. Thing is, I think they represent a distinct minority of gun owners. Certainly most of the more recent "weekend warrior" gun "enthusiast" types for whom this isn't a tribal thing but more of a penis enhancement thing aren't going to the mat on this issue, no matter what they say. And I believe that most gun owners are going to be willing to compromise. It's just this hardcore neo-confederate element that won't bend. But we don't need them to. There simply aren't enough of them to matter, and simply delay the inevitable.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:44:18 AM PST

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          •  I hope so. (0+ / 0-)
            There simply aren't enough of them to matter, and simply delay the inevitable.

            The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

            by lyvwyr101 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:15:47 AM PST

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