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  •  Of course... (0+ / 0-)

    ...about 60% of those 31-32K are suicides where the deceased shot and killed themselves intentionally.

    As a strong believer in the concept that an individual has the right to do with his/her body what he/she wants, I think any responsible discussion needs to include that statistic.

    •  You're kidding, right? (5+ / 0-)

      As a member of a family in which severe depression runs rampant, for generations, and at least one member of each generation has taken their own life, suicide is most often a choice made under severe emotional duress, pain of such intensity that taking ones own life seems the most logical.  

      Speaking from personal experience, I made one serious attempt on my own life as a teenager and had several bouts of depression throughout my twenties in which I came very close to trying again.  I do not own a gun, and will not, ever, because I know that in my darkest hours, had I a gun in my hand or at my disposal, that temporary emotional state would have ended in a permanent loss of my life.  I am a son, a brother, an uncle, and friend.  All those people that rely on me, love me, need me in their life, would have been robbed of the love and support we give one another.  Because of access to guns.

      Now, years later, in my thirties, my life and emotional state are healthy, far better balanced, and I have the self awareness to recognize symptoms of depression so that I can deal with it before it disrupts my life to the point of wanting to take it.

      Suicide is a personal choice, and for someone of clear mind, that is their choice to make.  However, the will to live is what makes us one of the most successful species to ever walk the planet.  Rational, sane, healthy people don't generally want to take their lives.   Do your research before you spout off your pro-gun, "suicides don't count" bullshit.  

      "Kindly go render the fat in your head in a large kettle of boiling water. Thank you." - Bumblebums -7.38, -6.46

      by balancedscales on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:19:47 PM PST

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      •  Only about 1/2 the... (0+ / 0-)

        ...suicides in the US involve firearms, so many people figure out how to do it without firearms. Some of those that currently use firearms would find other means - perhaps methods that put others at risk such as trying to kill themselves in car crashes.

        I don't believe that Americans are any less clever than the Japanese - who have almost twice the suicide rate of the US yet have virtually no access to firearms so I'm confident that many, perhaps most, who currently keep firearms around in spite of suicidal tendencies would find another means (such as helium).

        Of course, I also don't believe in banning alcohol just because some people are unable to handle it and die of alcoholic related diseases or banning motorcycles because it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive a car.

        •  Japan and the United States are not apples (0+ / 0-)

          To apples.  My point was that you minimized suicide deaths by firearms.  Obfuscate all you want, again, your pro-gun bullshit is offensive to people that have lost loved ones to suicide by gun.  Please though, continue waving your big old gun to make up for whatever it is that's lacking in your life.  I'll continue to live another 36 years without needing a firearm.

          "Kindly go render the fat in your head in a large kettle of boiling water. Thank you." - Bumblebums -7.38, -6.46

          by balancedscales on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:55:15 PM PST

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