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  •  In all reality, I am very careful around cars. (0+ / 0-)

    For environmental and financial reasons I don't own a car and rarely drive.  I am a very careful pedestrian. I fully support the idea of improving auto safety, and would love to see the speed limit lowered and enforced.  However, I am tired of hearing people who are not in support of regulating guns use cars as an excuse. The vast majority of Americans use some form of vehicular transportation on a daily basis. According to, 400 million gallons of gas are sold every day.  That adds up to a lot of driving.  For all that there are  around 300 million guns, they appear to be concentrated in about 32% of our households, down from around 50% in the 1970's. (2011 study from The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center.) How many of those guns are tucked away and rarely handled?  My point is that if somebody wants to say that cars are more dangerous than guns, they had better come up with much better data that takes into consideration actual rates of use. I suspect that if and when we get well developed and peer reviewed research into the impacts of gun ownership, both positive and negative, that we will find that there are one or more subsets of gun owners and the people around them, for whom gun ownership is much more dangerous than they believe.

    •  I haven't met that guy, (0+ / 0-)

      the one who says "don't regulate guns, because cars".  I haven't (quite) met the guy who says "everybody uses cars, so 30,000 deaths a year is OK", although some come close.  But the social danger of something (the "risk" side of the "risk/benefit" analysis) is determined quite simply . . . count the dead.  Or look at the stats of what is most likely to kill you.

      I want those "risk" numbers to be smaller, for both cars and guns.  It's a "personal" thing.

      To the extent that addressing the "benefit" side reduces risks I'm for that too.  If more and better public transit would reduce accidents (by reducing automobile use) that's a good argument for public transit.  One of many.  And if better policing and crushing the various "criminal cultures" that lead people to want guns for "self defense" has even a chance of reducing gun deaths (by reducing the number of people who feel a "need" for owning guns), well, that too.  There's a good tie-in there for "gun control" . . . the more of them you take away from the "bad guys" (and the less crime there is) the fewer people will feel a need to own one.  Which, obviously, a lot of people do at present, for some reason . . .

      Consider this incomplete and impractical proposal: few limits on gun ownership, but those owned must be kept in a locked gun safe that sounds an alarm when opened.  You get to defend yourself as needed until the police arrive, be it minutes (good response time guys) or months (after the collapse of civilization, or whatever).  When they get there you just put the gun away till next time.  If you want to take it to the range for practice, or on a hunting trip, or just out for "cleaning" and to look at, call in first to disarm the alarm (and maybe schedule a non-emergency "just checking" visit).  Oh, and "get medieval" on armed criminals and gangs . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:22:44 AM PST

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