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  •  Was gifted a copy of (5+ / 0-)

    Kill anything that moves. One of those books I don't want to read but will anyway.

    Based on classified documents and first-person interviews, a startling history of the American war on Vietnamese civilians.

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    Drawing on more than a decade of research in secret Pentagon files and extensive interviews with American veterans and Vietnamese survivors, Turse reveals for the first time how official policies resulted in millions of innocent civilians killed and wounded. In shocking detail, he lays out the workings of a military machine that made crimes in almost every major American combat unit all but inevitable. Kill Anything That Moves takes us from archives filled with Washington's long-suppressed war crime investigations to the rural Vietnamese hamlets that bore the brunt of the war; from boot camps where young American soldiers learned to hate all Vietnamese to bloodthirsty campaigns like Operation Speedy Express, in which a general obsessed with body counts led soldiers to commit what one participant called "a My Lai a month."

    I'm on chapter 3 and its as bad as I thought it would be. As they say; The truth will set up free but first it will piss you off.

    Hobbs: "How come we play war and not peace?" Calvin: "Too few role models."

    by BOHICA on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 04:59:13 AM PST

    •  I cannot imagine how sickening (3+ / 0-)
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      the truths in the book must be.  The thought sickens me, but for you...

                       ...I cannot fathom.

      As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

      by JaxDem on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:08:39 AM PST

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    •  Naturally I've seen a lot of the conversation (4+ / 0-)
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      surrounding Kill Anything that Moves but I don't think I'll be reading it. In a general sense I already know too much of what it describes. In the specifics it's the recapitulation of something I hope is illustrated by this story:

      We landed "in country" in March of 1965, the first "combat troops" of the war, charged with protecting the Da Nang airfield. By May, just about every time we had a battalion formation the XO, a Major, would tell us "Men, I know what we're doing here doesn't make a lot of sense to you, but that's because you can't see the Big Picture."
      After some weeks of that finally the Old Man, a Lt. Col., addressed the formation. "Men," he said, "I've got to tell you the Truth, there isn't any Big Picture."
      I came home in April of '67. It was a different war by then. Everybody on the ground more or less got it that there wasn't any Big Picture. The only thing that mattered was making it back to "the World" in one breathing piece.

      “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

      by DaNang65 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 at 05:36:33 AM PST

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    •  Winter Soldier (2+ / 0-)
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      The truths in that book are what Senator John Kerry was trying to bring to the front of the American conscience with his Winter Soldier Hearings in Detroit. It is why the Swift Boaters went after him with such ugly vengeance, it's why the right wingers have never forgiven him or Jane Fonda for trying to tell the truth about the genocidal bombing campaign we were waging on the north. The truth is that we really were the "honky imperialist pigs" that I hated the hippies for saying back in that day. Education is a wonderful thing, some of it by going and seeing for yourself some in the hallowed halls of academia after one gets back from the killing fields and the rest just by living.

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