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  •  Domestic violence on the part of an officer (5+ / 0-)

    should, and in most instances does, result in immediate suspension, and termination after an IA investigation.  We have had two or three of those in our area recently, including one who was a Chief Deputy for the Sheriff's Department.  

    Once convicted of domestic violence, an officer can never work as an armed officer again.  There was a strange instance in Mississippi several years ago where a guy ran for sheriff and was elected.  After the election, it was discovered he could not past the POST exam screening and was not allowed to have a firearm due to domestic violence history.  He refused to resign, IIRC, and had to be forced out of his newly elected office by the State.  

    The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

    by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 06:36:03 AM PST

    •  Someone capable of domestic violence should (4+ / 0-)

      never make it past the screening process.  It is strange that they do.  The last person you want dealing with the public is someone with anger issues.

      •  Not strange at all (2+ / 0-)

        They have scrapped the social justice personality screening in favor of human attack dogs.

        "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:07:45 AM PST

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      •  True, but the screening process is much (3+ / 0-)

        more difficult than most people think.  For example, recent research has shown that 31% of people with a significant psychiatric history have a normal MMPI-2 profile.  The MMPI-2 is the test most commonly used to screen officers and security guards.  

        It is impossible to predict future violence with any confidence, if there has been no past history of violence.  Of course, the best predictor of future behavior is to look at past behavior.  If anyone has a history of violent or aggressive outbursts, they are ineligible to pass a POST screening.  

        The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

        by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:10:54 AM PST

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        •  Kind of an irony, (1+ / 0-)
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          but I'd like to have an officer who is at least smart enough to know how to spoof an MMPI.

          I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

          by wretchedhive on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:26:17 AM PST

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        •  The problem with that is (1+ / 0-)
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          unless it drew the attention of authorities with access to the right records. Anyone's impulse control issues can be easily dismissed because they are based on self reporting.

          Or do I not understand how the MMPI-2 is administered?

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:41:03 AM PST

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          •  The MMPI-2 is 567 questions that are answered (1+ / 0-)
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            true or false.  Buried in the questions are a number of questions that are true of everyone, but might be embarrassing to admit.  There are others that measure consistency.  In other words, it asks the same or a similar question to a previous one, but is worded completely different.  There are a number of internal validity scales.  Some measure outright lying, others measure whether you are trying to present yourself in a good light; usually seen when done for job applications.  Still others look for people who are trying to look worse than they really are.  We see that a lot when folks are drug seeking, trying to get disability, or are trying to look legally insane in criminal cases.

            There are many clinical scales and sub-scales.  There is even a scale measuring overcontrolled hostility.  While the test can be hand scored, it takes forever and there is a risk of counting wrong or making arithmetic mistakes.  The best way to score this enormously complex test is by computer.

            There is no test that is foolproof.  As for background checks, every law enforcement agency  I ever consulted with does a thorough background check.  They run your fingerprints and vital statistics information through the National Crime Information system.  There is a current shortage of qualified officers because a lot of applicants wash out on the background check.  

            The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

            by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:23:52 AM PST

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            •  So easily spoofed self reporting. (1+ / 0-)
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              We need better ways of screening. Or better ways of reposting problem officers.

              "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:27:01 AM PST

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              •  The MMPI-2 is pretty hard to spoof, (0+ / 0-)

                but it can be done.  Problem is that many psychologists are not adequately trained, and rely too heavily on the computer printout.  A lot depends on the skill and experience set of the psychologist whether they can get away with it.

                The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

                by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:38:23 AM PST

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            •  I know you say they are complex but they really (0+ / 0-)

              are not.

              Anyone with a modicum of self awareness can easily avoid the contradictions set up in the test.

              "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:29:51 AM PST

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            •  As a holder of a security clearance, I took the (1+ / 0-)
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              MMPI every 5 years; I think in all I took it about 5 times.

              I also read that the control group for the original one was "single males of scandinavian origin in rural areas", or as Garrison Keillor would put it, "Norwegian bachelor farmers".

              I must have been normal relative to that control group...

              Just kidding, I think.

              Moderation in most things.

              by billmosby on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:37:47 AM PST

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              •  The original MMPI was first published (1+ / 0-)
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                in 1942,  There has never been a test so thoroughly studied by scholars all over the world. It has been translated into several different languages.  In the late 1980s, it was determined that much of the language in the old MMPI was archaic and younger people did not even know what some of the words meant because they are not in common use any more.  In 1989, the MMPI-2 was published, with a completely new approach to data collection and scoring.  

                More information here.

                The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

                by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:43:49 AM PST

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                •  I took the first one in early 1986 and the last (1+ / 0-)
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                  one in about 2001, but I can't recall seeing any big difference along the way. But if the MMPI was something that one could easily remember I suppose it wouldn't be quite as effective, would it....

                  Moderation in most things.

                  by billmosby on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 10:26:36 AM PST

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      •  I might add that the Chief Deputy (1+ / 0-)
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        mentioned above was a very pleasant and laid back guy.  The high stress he was under caused him to start drinking more than he should.  When he drank, he went out of control.  When his wife called 911, that was all it took.  The sheriff did not even bother to get a new mental health fitness for duty exam. Just told the man to go to the house and look for another job.  

        The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. - Sun Tzu

        by Otteray Scribe on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:15:34 AM PST

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