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  •  Horace, it's clear we are on opposite sides of (1+ / 0-)
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    issue that is being touted as the "greatest solution since tax-breaks for the wealthy create jobs!"

    I've been composing a diary to explore the reasons I've seen for a very long time, the tool used is a symptom of the destructive policies implemented by the Republicans 30 years ago and perpetuated by us Democrats today.

    They now want us to ignore the reality we've all been forced into abject poverty due to their insistence we remain a member of the WTO, their refusal to renegotiate NAFTA & GATT, their continued tax breaks for the 1% that cost us a cool Trillion in lost revenues in less than 8 yrs, unfunded resource wars, failure to prosecute the criminals on Wall Street after the largest heist in human history, the failures of the racist drug war that has generationally destroyed the African American family.

    Then they tell us its the evil gun that is destroying our society and killing people.

    Nope, poverty kills more Americans than any gun ever will.  The lack of living wage jobs force our inner city residents into the one growth industry left, drugs.  And it's clear they know this, don't they?  The HSBC deal reveals that for us all!

    All these things lead us down a path to DESPAIR.

    That's the cause no one will acknowledge or accept.  The gun didn't cause that, Washington, DC did.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:09:46 AM PST

    •  I am well aware the gun is a symptom (1+ / 0-)
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      and one we will never be completely rid of.

      And I too have no clue on how to convince TPTB that things here on the bottom are going to explode if things do not change fast.

      But to them when a cold hungry panhandler approaches them aggressively they think we need more police instead of more food and shelter.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:44:35 AM PST

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      •  This will sound cold, but (0+ / 0-)

        where I live we have a pretty decent shelter establishment, and panhandlers who go home to their own places at night. And aggressiveness on their part has been eliminated by enforcement of laws against that aggressiveness.

        I have a friend who enjoys helping people who appear to be homeless and in need of help. He keeps doing it even though he has a number of anecdotes about how he has been played by them.

        There are legitimately needy people out there, and lots of them. But many others game the helpers. I can't tell the difference myself, though.

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:03:31 AM PST

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        •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

          How many nights have you spent in the shelters to come to this conclusion?

          where I live we have a pretty decent shelter establishment
          You don't sound cold you sound blissfully ignorant of realty.

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:19:41 AM PST

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          •  I read about it in the papers. (0+ / 0-)

            And have other sources if info such as I mentioned above.

            Moderation in most things.

            by billmosby on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:32:26 AM PST

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            •  So you know how long the wait list is? (0+ / 0-)

              Whether you get a towel with your shower?

              What they do to fight the bedbugs and lice?

              How much endless proselytizing one must endure for a (supposedly non-secular) roof over ones head?

              Do they kick you out at five am and not let you back in until 7pm?

              Do you have to start lining up at noon to get in at 7 or risk the outdoors?

              Since your have read about them and find them sufficient please answer the above for me to verify.

              "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:36:52 AM PST

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              •  Salt Lake City, UT. (0+ / 0-)

                The Road Home seems to do a pretty good job, here's their 2011 annual report (pdf).

                Here's something about the number of homeless in the area.

                They do kick em out during the day, don't know the hours.

                I think they have everybody covered indoors at least in winter, from what I read in the links.

                I'd be interested in what you find out.

                Moderation in most things.

                by billmosby on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 08:57:17 AM PST

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                •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                  those do not answer the reality the homeless actually face.

                  I'm at this point calling you a liar. And the shelters in your town are also hellacious nightmares that the homeless would rather sleep outside than endure.

                  Go to the shelter. Talk to homeless people. You wonder why there is a social failure? We have been going top down since Regan. If you pay any attention to those of us at the bottom you would understand the US is a third world country.

                  "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

                  by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:56:16 AM PST

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